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Hismindinme...thank you for your reply it was most helpful..im gonna chew on what you said....and ive also read The Power of Now years ago..when i stopped going to church to try out other religions or philosophies...its a good book..but without christ these new age religions are empty.....but i see where your coming from....as far as understanding living in the present and understanding the future is now

You're quite welcome. I also get what you're saying about things without Christ. It is true: Jesus Christ is the Lord and King of All, all in all. Thank you for your kind response.

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Wayne Grudem in his Systematic Theology (p. 190) has a great definition:

God fully knows himself and all things actual and possible in one simple and eternal act

Do you understand how the clouds float, those wonderful works of Him who has perfect knowledge?

Job 37:16 HCSB

because if our hearts condemn us, God is greater than our hearts and knows all things.

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No creature is hidden from Him, but all things are naked and exposed to the eyes of Him to whom we must give an account.

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You have searched me and known me. You know when I sit down and when I stand up; You understand my thoughts from far away.

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Wayne Grudem in his Systematic Theology (p. 190) has a great definition:

God fully knows himself and all things actual and possible in one simple and eternal act

Do you understand how the clouds float, those wonderful works of Him who has perfect knowledge?

Job 37:16 HCSB

because if our hearts condemn us, God is greater than our hearts and knows all things.

1 John 3:20 HCSB

No creature is hidden from Him, but all things are naked and exposed to the eyes of Him to whom we must give an account.

Hebrews 4:13 HCSB

You have searched me and known me. You know when I sit down and when I stand up; You understand my thoughts from far away.

Psalm 139:1-3 HCSB

Grudem-great Christian Scholar. I love the way he sticks it to liberalism (fence sitting Christianity).


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Wayne Grudem in his Systematic Theology (p. 190) has a great definition:

God fully knows himself and all things actual and possible in one simple and eternal act

Do you understand how the clouds float, those wonderful works of Him who has perfect knowledge?

Job 37:16 HCSB

because if our hearts condemn us, God is greater than our hearts and knows all things.

1 John 3:20 HCSB

No creature is hidden from Him, but all things are naked and exposed to the eyes of Him to whom we must give an account.

Hebrews 4:13 HCSB

You have searched me and known me. You know when I sit down and when I stand up; You understand my thoughts from far away.

Psalm 139:1-3 HCSB

Grudem-great Christian Scholar. I love the way he sticks it to liberalism (fence sitting Christianity).

I appreciate him very much. I had him for several classes. Not only a good thinker, but a humble guy as well


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No kidding? Wow, that has to be an honor. Obviously, I do not agree with him on everything, but on most, he and I are in accord.


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I believe there are things that god knows ( things that must happen according to his will) and otherthings that he possibly doesnt know....

If every choice you


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Yes God is all knowing! :whistling:

in Christ joe john3:30


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I ask this question after reading certain passages in the bible where God is suprised by an event....and most notably where god says in genesis that he regretted making man......so my qestion is how can god be all knowing but regret something and be suprised at the same time...he cant regret making something if he had the foreknowledge right?

Say you know if you walk down the street and know your going to get shot but you walk down there anyway because theres a greater purpose for doing so which makes you getting shot something thats needs to be done for that purpose...how could you then regret that...youve counted the cost and made your decision.... right?

That is a very good point. I have often wondered about that my self. The bible says that it grieved God that he made man so why would God do something He knew was going to hurt His feelings. In our world to do something like that is called self destructive. But we know that God is not self destructive. Right!

The only explanation I have ever been able to come up with is that God gave us the choice to choose and left it up to us to make certain choices. Does God know all things? Yes He does and God has faith in His creation to make the right choices. But when we make the wrong choices He is grieved about the poor choices we make because He knows that we are going to suffer the results of our bad choices. He knows what will be the results of the right choices and what will be the results of the wrong choices. And He is blessed by our right choices.

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I ask this question after reading certain passages in the bible where God is suprised by an event....and most notably where god says in genesis that he regretted making man......so my qestion is how can god be all knowing but regret something and be suprised at the same time...he cant regret making something if he had the foreknowledge right?

Well, the point that needs to be made is that it was not a expression of surprise. It was also not a case of God thinking, "I wish I had not done this."

When the Scripture says that God repented or was sorry that he made man, it is an anthropromorphism. It was an expression of pain felt in the heart of God towards man's sinfulness.

How is God not responsible for the behavior of evil people he

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I ask this question after reading certain passages in the bible where God is suprised by an event....and most notably where god says in genesis that he regretted making man......so my qestion is how can god be all knowing but regret something and be suprised at the same time...he cant regret making something if he had the foreknowledge right?

Say you know if you walk down the street and know your going to get shot but you walk down there anyway because theres a greater purpose for doing so which makes you getting shot something thats needs to be done for that purpose...how could you then regret that...youve counted the cost and made your decision.... right?

Again. I have discussed this on other boards and have even been banned from some because of it, but Scriptures dont lie. God has a plan and he knows His plan from beginning to end. What the Scriptures teach is this. God does not know what each and every individual free moral agent will choose before they make a choice and here is why.

God searches the hearts of men. If a mans heart is right with God He often winks at small indescressions (Read Acts 17:30), "And the times of this ignorance God winked at (or overlooked); but now commandeth ALL MEN EVERYWHERE to REPENT" (Acts 17:30).

Several times in Scripture God Himself said of certain events that they DID NOT COME INTO HIS MIND (Jer. 19:5; 32:35; 44:21).

God DID NOT KNOW BEFOREHAND that men would become so wicked. It repented Him that He had made man! It grieved Him at His heart! (Gen. 6:5-7), that they would plan Babel (Gen. 11:5-7); that Sodom would be so wicked He went there Himself to see if it was true according to the report of it which was given to Him (Gen. 18:21). He said, "If I find fifty righteous within the city in verse 26. Why make this statement if He already knew? (Gen. 18:26-32). God did not know whether it would take one or two or three signes to make Israel believe Him (Ex.4:1-12); or whether testing Israel would cause them to obey Him or not (Deut. 8:2, 16). Goid did not know that Israel would backslide as far as it did (Deut. 32:19-29; Isa. 59:15-19).

God SEARCHES THE HEARTS to find whom He can bless (2 Chr. 16:9). He DISCOVERS deep things (Job. 12:22); He tries the hearts and reins of men so that He may know them (Ps. 7:9; 44:21; 139:1-6, 23-24; Jer. 17:10; 1 Chr. 28:9; Rom.8:27; 1 Cor. 2;10; Rev. 2:23), proving all men for the same reason (Ps. 17:3; 66:10; 81:7).

God goes Himself, or He sends messengers throughout the whole of His vast creations to find out for Him what He wants to know, the same as the head of any other organization would be likely to do, so that plans may be made and actions can be taken accordingly. Examples of such agency constantly reporting to God can be found in all these passages (Gen. 18:21-22; Dan. 10:13-21; 11:1; 12:1; Zech. 1:7-11; 6:1-8; Matt. 18:10-11; Heb. 1:14; 2:2; Rev. 1:1; 7:1-3; 8:2-13; 9:1; 14:6-20; 15:1-8; 16:1-21; 18:21; 22:6, 8-9, 16).

The 6,468 commands in the Bible regulating man as to his part in the eternal plan of God, and setting forth his responsibility to God and man, the 1,260 promises and blessings, rewards or loss of rewards, the hundreds, the hundreds of warnings, curses, blessings and dealings of God on the basis of conformity to His will. the 1,522 "IF'S" and the many hundreds of conditional requirements of God throughout Scripture are sufficient proof that God does not cause all acts and events by His own decrees, and are sufficient proof that He changes His own dealings with men as they conform or refuse to conform to His will. Such facts and many others make it clear that God does not know from all eternity what any one man will do, much less what different types and dispositions of men will do under various circumstances that are not yet present to deal with.

There is not one statement of Scripture in the entire Bible saying God knows or even would like to know all acts and particular events of all the vast creations of free moral agents from all eternity past; or that He has fixed decrees choosing and predestinating all thoughts, acts, and deeds of free wills from all eternity past to all eternity future. God's plan will not fail and it is known from the beginning to the end and what He plans to bring to bring to pass on Earth He has power to do, but concerning the free moral actions of free moral agents He does not know from all eternity what they will do before they are in existence and are here to have a part in His plan. He does not know which ones will be saved and which ones will be lost. He has made a plan for all to be saved alike and all who conform to His plan are blessed with the predestined blessings. Those who wilfully rebel will be cursed with the predestined punishments according to the plan. It is the plan that is known from beginning to the end, not the individual conformity to it by free moral agents. It is left up to each person to choose His own destiny. God wills all men to be saved but if man does not choose to be saved that is his responsibility (1 Tim. 2:4; 2 Pet. 3:9; John 3:16; Rev. 22:17).

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