Please tell me... When is the Sabbath?

Ddavid from NC · January 29, 2008

Please do not be merely offended with I am about to ask... It is a sincere curosity. No doubt, Sabbath keeping is a genuinely held conviction among half of the participants in this thread. I encourage you to be honest to your conviction until the Lord tells you different. But, I have an observation that may or not be true in your region of the world. Here in North Carolina, there are many Seventh Day Adventist. It has been my observation nearly all of these churches rent space on Sunday to new church starts. In my community a local Presbyterian church uses the facility and have for years. They share sign space in the front yard promoting both churches. The Synagogue with a 200 year history shares its facilties with a Unitarian Church. If Sabbath keeping is so central to your belief, why contribute to the delinquency of other beleivers at a profit?

Richard_yaash · January 29, 2008

Please do not be merely offended with I am about to ask... It is a sincere curosity. No doubt, Sabbath keeping is a genuinely held conviction among half of the participants in this thread. I encourage you to be honest to your conviction until the Lord tells you different. But, I have an observation that may or not be true in your region of the world. Here in North Carolina, there are many Seventh Day Adventist. It has been my observation nearly all of these churches rent space on Sunday to new church starts. In my community a local Presbyterian church uses the facility and have for years. They share sign space in the front yard promoting both churches. The Synagogue with a 200 year history shares its facilties with a Unitarian Church. If Sabbath keeping is so central to your belief, why contribute to the delinquency of other beleivers at a profit?

Hi David,

No offense taken whatsoever. Interesting question. I am not SDA, but I did look into their teachings in years long past. I was not aware of this practice. If I may: As for profit, that would indeed depend upon the 'rent' charged. If it was exorbitant, I doubt many new churches would either pay, or be able to pay such a cost. It is indeed a possibility that said 'rent' perhaps only covers 'hard' cost, such as utilities. It could simply cover utilities and that days lease/mortgage. I do not know the answer, perhaps others here may be able to shed some light upon it.

OTOH: Is not the ability of two different and perhaps at times diametrically opposing 'sects' of 'christianity' to be able to cooperate with one another something that we could all learn a very valuable lesson from?

As to "delinquency", is it not also possible that the ones doing the renting may perhaps see the sabbatarians as being the "delinquent" ones?

That however does not answer your question. Since you seem to be speaking primarily of "new church starts" here, I think that we would have to consider the amount charged. Also, that these "new church starts" may not be able to find anything else, anything more suitable, and perhaps anything at a better rate.

BTW: Just last night I was having dinner with some friends. I met a man for the first time and he was talking about his daughter and how after college she put a promising career on hold for 8 years while she served as a missionary in other countries and worked disaster relief. According to what this gentleman shared: He told me that through his daughter he learned that the SDA church where amoung the first on the scene for disaster relief in these countries. Perhaps, this 'rent' that they charge is used to help fund this disaster relief.

My point being: Let us be careful how and or whether we judge this lest we know all the facts. Beyond this, I see the ability of these two with somewhat different beliefs to cooperate as being of considerable worth and a good example unto us all.

I do realize that I have not specifically answered your question, simply sharing a possible POV.

Edited January 29, 2008 by Richard_yaash

HAZARD · January 29, 2008

ANSWER TO WHEN IS THE SABBATH?

The sabbath day is the seventh day of the week and the seventh day of the week is SATURDAY. . . . . . . . BUT . . . . . . .

Scripture teaches that God foretold in PROPHECY that He would do away with the sabbaths, and feast days: "It was fortold that the sabbath would be abolished because it had become something to be abhorred by God The reason God hated it was because of the sins and hypocrisy of Israel in keeping the sabbath which was a "sign" between Him and Israel. "I will cause her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, AND HER SABBATHS, and all her solomn feasts" (Hosea 2:11).

"Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto Me; the new moons and SABBATHS, the calling of assemblies, I CANNOT AWAY WITH; it is an iniquity, even the solomn meeting. Your new moons and your appointed feasts MY SOUL HATETH; they are a troubleunto me; I AM WEARY TO BEAR THEM (Isiah 1:10-15).

Also, Hosea 2:11; Galatians 4:9-10; Colossians 2:14-17; Romans 14:5-6.

In saying this Jesus finished sabbath observance. Jesus Christ finished His redemptive work and completed His victory over death, Hell, and the grave at the close of the seventh day sabbath of the old law and He rested on the first day. The first day of the greatest victory for God and the universe. It was the great day of triumph over sin, satan, death, and Hell. It was the day of joy and praise because of the resurrection, which guarentees the salvation and eternal life of all men who believe (1 Cor. 15; Rom. 4:25; 5:10; John 14:19; 1 Pet. 1:3; 3:2).

It was on the first day of the week that Christ met with His disciples. Exactly one week later on the second first day of the week He again met with them (John 20:19, 26). This was no mere accident. The Lord wanted to sanction that day as the one to be observed from that time on.

Christians are free to celebrate on any day they choose. Many prefer to worship as did Jesus and the apostles.

Scripture states that the sabbath can be celebrated on any day one chooses. The New Testament does not command men to keep any particular sabbath. On the contrary it teaches that men can choose which day if any that he wants to keep unto the Lord (Read Romans 14:5-6; Gal. 4:9-10; Col. 2:14-17).

Conserning meats and sabbath days: "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. LET EVERY MAN BE FULLY PERSUADED IN HIS OWN MIND. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day doth not regard it. . . . But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at naught thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. . . . So then every one of us shall give account of Himself to God. LET US NOT THEREFORE JUDGE ONE ANOTHER ANY MORE" (Rom. 14:1-13; Gal. 4:9-11; Col.2:14-17).

If the law of Moses, including the fourth commandment, was in force in the New Covenant the above statements would have never been written by Paul. Each Christian can do as he pleases concerning the sabbath and he is not to be judged by his brother "any more."

The apostles here did away with all keeping of the law, sabbath keeping and cricumcision and stated in no uncertain terms that Gentiles were not to keep the Old Law of Moses which included the Old Jewish sabbath.

Included in this apostolic decree that Christians are not to keep the law in any detail was the very sign of law keeping which was abolished------circumcision. Even those who keep the Lewish sabbath do not practice this, thus proving again their inconsistency in requiring men to keep the law they themselves do not keep (Ex. 12"44-48; Lev. 12:3; John 7:22-23).

The seventh day like every other day of the week is not eliminated? Saturday still rolles around as it always has and will continue to do. People can keep this day holy if they so wish if it suits them. What Scripture teaches is that people now can choose which day they wish to keep holy.

Scripture states that the sabbath can be celebrated on any day one chooses. The New Testament does not command men to keep any particular sabbath. On the contrary it teaches that men can choose which day if any that he wants to keep unto the Lord (Read Romans 14:5-6; Gal. 4:9-10; Col. 2:14-17). In fact I will quote thme directly out of the Bible.

"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks" (Romans 14:5-6).

"But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain"(Gal. 4:9-11).

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ" (Coll. 2:14-17).

Observing the Sabbath day and all its rituals and laws which were given to Israel these blotted out by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and a New Covenant now exists.

The Word, who became flesh, created all things, therefore it was He who rested on the seventh day. It was He who made the sabbath. He is Lord of the sabbath and as such He can and did have the authority to do what He did.

Jesus is; "Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:" (Eph. 1:21).

The Father Had Given Jesus all power and dominion over all things;

"And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church," (Eph. 1:22).

"Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW of COMMANDMENTS contained in ORDINENCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;" (Eph. 2:15).

Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written NOT WITH INK, but with the Spirit of the living God; NOT IN TABLETS OF STONE, but in fleshy tables of the heart." (2 Cor. 3:3).

The aposlte Paul said that the Old Covenant Law was no weak and beggarly. Paul asked, how can we turn back to the weak and beggarly elements of bondage? "But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? (Galations 4:9).

"Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? . . . . the law is not of faith: but the man that doeth them [things of the law] shall live in them. . . . how turn ye AGAIN TO THE WEAK AND BEGGARLY ELEMENTS, whereunto ye desire to be in bondage?" (Gal. 1:6-9; 2:15-21; 3:1-12, 19-25; 4:1-3, 19-31; 5:1-9, 11-21). Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years [that the law required]. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed labour upon you in vain" (Gal. 3:1-12; 4:9-11). Going back to observe sabbaths according to the law is spoken of here as going back into the bondage of the law. If one does this "he is a debtor to the WHOLE LAW" (Gal. 5:3).

The LAW "was added because of transgressions, TILL THE SEED [Christ] SHOULD COME to whom the promise was made. . . . But before faith came [that Christ brought in the gospel and the New Covenant, Hebrews 12:1, 2], we were Kept under the law, shut up unto faith WHICH SHOULD AFTERWARDS BE REVEALED. . . . Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, THAT we might be JUSTIFIED by faith BUT AFTER that faith is come WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A SCHOOLMASTER" (Gal 3:19-25).

Not being "under" the law here is explained as being out from under its authority like one who is no longer under a schoolmaster when he graduates from school. The law is no longer a force and it has no claim or authority over the person under the new covenant. He is under the laws that were never a part of the old covenant, as well as those old laws that God saw fit to make a part of the new covenant.

The law has been "CAST OUT": "Tell me, YE THAT DESIRE TO BE UNDER THE LAW, do ye not hear the law. For it is written, that Abraham had TWO SONS. . . . he who was of the BONDWOMAN was born after the flesh; but he of the FREEWOMAN was by promis. WHICH THINGS ARE AN ALLEGORY: for THESE ARE THE TWO COVENANTS; THE ONE FROM MOUT SINAI which GENDERETH TO BONDAGE, which is Agar [Hagar]. . . . and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and IS IN BONDAGE with her children. But Jerusalem which is above OS FREE, which is the mother of us all. . . . Now we, bretheren, as Isaac was, are the children of promis. BUT AS THEN he that was born after the flesh oersecuted him that is born after the Spirit. even so it is now. nEVERTHELESS WHAT SAITH THE sCRIPTURE? cast out the bondwoman [THE FIRST OR OLD COVENANT FROM MOUNT SINAI] AND HER SON [those under the law]: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, bretheren WE ARE NOT CHILDREN OF THE BONDWOMAN [the old covenant and its many laws], BUT OF THE FREE [the new covenant]. Stand fast therefore IN THE LIBERTY wherewith Christ hath made us FREE, and BE NOT ENTANGLES AGAIN WITH THE YOLK OF BONDAGE [the old covenant]. . . . For I testify again to every man that is circumcised [no man had any part in the old covenant unless he was circumcised], that he is a DEBTOR TO THE WHOLE LAW" (Gal. 4:21-31; 5:1-5, 18).

Modern law keepers never mention this passage for there is no possible way for them to explain such simple language as the old covenant "from Sinai" being "cast out" with all its sons who are under bondage and death. The old covenant that brought death has no more relationship to people under the new covenant that Hagar and Ishmael had with Sarah and Isaac. Abraham was the father of both Ishmael and Isaac, but Ishmael had no part in Isaac's inheritance (Gen. 21:9-21). God was the author of both covenants, but one was designed to bring death and guilt of sin, and the other was designed to bring life and freedom from sin. There can be no keeping of both.

The law was a covenant of types and shadows and was abolished when the realities of those shadows appeared. "Having ABOLISHED in His flesh the enmity [the law of bondage and death], EVEN THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS contained in ordinances. . . . BLOTTING OUT [making void] the handwritings of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and TOOK IT OUT OF THE WAY, NAILING IT TO HIS CROSS. . . . let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of AN HOLY DAY orof THE NEW MOON, or of THE SABBATH DAYS: WHICH ARE A SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME; but the body [or reality of which those things were mere shadows] is of Christ" (Eph. 2:15; Col. 2:14-17).

Paul call's the Law a curse; and says that Christ free us from it; " Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:" (Gal. 3:13).

Paul says that if righteousness comes by the Law, then Christ died in vain.

"I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain" (Gal. 2:21). "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW of COMMANDMENTS contained in ORDINENCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;" (Eph. 2:15).

Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written NOT WITH INK, but with the Spirit of the living God; NOT IN TABLETS OF STONE, but in fleshy tables of the heart." (2 Cor. 3:3);

Does not the above Scriptures plainly state and teach that Jesus, abolished in His flesh the emnity, even the LAW of COMMANDMENTS contained in ORDINENCES? Jesus Christ abolished the Law of Commandments contained in ordinences, written NOT WITH INK, but with the Spirit of the living God; NOT IN TABLETS OF STONE, but in fleshy tables of the heart." (2 Cor. 3:3);

The LAW "was added because of transgressions, TILL THE SEED [Christ] SHOULD COME to whom the promise was made. . . . But before faith came [that Christ brought in the gospel and the New Covenant, Hebrews 12:1, 2], we were Kept under the law, shut up unto faith WHICH SHOULD AFTERWARDS BE REVEALED. . . . Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, THAT we might be JUSTIFIED by faith BUT AFTER that faith is come WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A SCHOOLMASTER" (Gal 3:19-25),

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The Jews who have rejected Christ, even killed Him, worship and remain under the Law do they not? Christ brought in the gospel and the New Covenant, Hebrews 12:1, 2], we were Kept under the law, shut up unto faith WHICH SHOULD AFTERWARDS BE REVEALED. . . . Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, THAT we might be JUSTIFIED by faith BUT AFTER that faith is come WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A SCHOOLMASTER" (Gal 3:19-25).

Not being "under" the law here is explained as being out from under its authority like one who is no longer under a schoolmaster when he graduates from school. The law is no longer a force and it has no claim or authority over the person under the new covenant. He is under the laws that were never a part of the old covenant, as well as those old laws that God saw fit to make a part of the new covenant.

The law has been "CAST OUT": "Tell me, YE THAT DESIRE TO BE UNDER THE LAW, do ye not hear the law. For it is written, that Abraham had TWO SONS. . . . he who was of the BONDWOMAN was born after the flesh; but he of the FREEWOMAN was by promis. WHICH THINGS ARE AN ALLEGORY: for THESE ARE THE TWO COVENANTS; THE ONE FROM MOUT SINAI which GENDERETH TO BONDAGE, which is Agar [Hagar]. . . . and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and IS IN BONDAGE with her children. But Jerusalem which is above OS FREE, which is the mother of us all. . . . Now we, bretheren, as Isaac was, are the children of promis. BUT AS THEN he that was born after the flesh oersecuted him that is born after the Spirit. even so it is now. nEVERTHELESS WHAT SAITH THE sCRIPTURE? cast out the bondwoman [THE FIRST OR OLD COVENANT FROM MOUNT SINAI] AND HER SON [those under the law]: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, bretheren WE ARE NOT CHILDREN OF THE BONDWOMAN [the old covenant and its many laws], BUT OF THE FREE [the new covenant]. Stand fast therefore IN THE LIBERTY wherewith Christ hath made us FREE, and BE NOT ENTANGLES AGAIN WITH THE YOLK OF BONDAGE [the old covenant]. . . . For I testify again to every man that is circumcised [no man had any part in the old covenant unless he was circumcised], that he is a DEBTOR TO THE WHOLE LAW" (Gal. 4:21-31; 5:1-5, 18).

Modern law keepers never mention this passage for there is no possible way for them to explain such simple language as the old covenant "from Sinai" being "cast out" with all its sons who are under bondage and death. The old covenant that brought death has no more relationship to people under the new covenant that Hagar and Ishmael had with Sarah and Isaac. Abraham was the father of both Ishmael and Isaac, but Ishmael had no part in Isaac's inheritance (Gen. 21:9-21). God was the author of both covenants, but one was designed to bring death and guilt of sin, and the other was designed to bring life and freedom from sin. There can be no keeping of both.

Scripture plainly teaches that God foretold in prophecy that He would do away with the sabbaths, and feast days: "It was fortold that the sabbath would be abolished because it had become something to be abhorred by God The reason God hated it was because of the sins and hypocrisy of Israel in keeping the sabbath which was a "sign" between Him and Israel. "I will cause her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, AND HER SABBATHS, and all her solomn feasts" (Hosea 2:11).

"Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto Me; the new moons and SABBATHS, the calling of assemblies, I CANNOT AWAY WITH; it is an iniquity, even the solomn meeting. Your new moons and your appointed feasts MY SOUL HATETH; they are a troubleunto me; I AM WEARY TO BEAR THEM (Isiah 1:10-15).

Also, Hosea 2:11; Galatians 4:9-10; Colossians 2:14-17; Romans 14:5-6.

God never forces anyone to do what they do not want to do. Therefore, as i have repeatedly said, anyone can worship in any way they choose! I have ene put up Scripture which clearly says this.

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days" (Coll. 2:16).

Simply put, the whole law of God and MOSES, including the ten commandments, and all the civil and ceremonial laws based upon the ten commandments, was done away with and abolished in Christ on the cross and the New Covenant now takes the place of the Old Covenant. This is plainly stated in 2 Corinthians 3: "Who hath made us able ministers of THE NEW TESTAMENT . . . . if THE MINISTRATION OF DEATH, WRITTEN AND ENGRAVED IN STONES (the ten commandments); was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance WHICH WAS DONE AWAY. For if THE MINISTRATION OF CONDEMNATION be glory, MUCH MORE doth THE MINISTRATION OF RIGHTEOUSNESS EXCEED IN GLORY. For even that (the old covenant) which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. For if that (the old covenant) WHICH IS DONE AWAY was glorious, MUCH MORE that (the new covenant) WHICH REMAINETH is glorious. . . . not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not steadfastly look to the end of that (the old covenant) WHICH IS ABOLISHED: But their minds were blinded: for UNTIL THIS DAY remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of THE OLD TESTAMENT; WHICH IS DONE AWAY IN CHRIST" (2 Cor. 3:16-15; Col. 2:14-17; Eph. 2:15). The word "vail" in this verse 14 is not in the original Greek, so it is not only the vail that is "done away," but it is the old covenant itself WHICH IS DONE AWAY in Christ on the cross.

Some people need an interpreter to explain this simple passage, but to the common reader it is clear that the old covenant has been "done away" and "abolished" entirely and the new covenant has taken its place. The ten commandments were the only part of the law that was written and engraved on tablets of stone so they were done away with on the cross (Ex. 24:12; 31:18; 32:15; 34:1-4, 27-35; Deut.4:13; 5:22; 10:4). Some argue that it was only the glory of the old covenant that was done away, but what good is an old covenant that has lost its glory? Why contend that we should keep it when we have a better and a new covenant that is more glorious and which remains in force?

Paul argues that the old covenant was given in glory, so if its glory is done away the covenant itself is also done away.

Leaving out the second "glory" in verse 7 and the second "vail" in verse 14, which are not in the original Greek, we have the fact plainly stated in both verses that it is "the old testament; WHICH IS DONE AWAY IN CHRIST." In verse 15 the old covenant is called "MOSES" thus proving that Moses gave the ten commandments.

Note the following contrasts between the old and new covenants in 2 Cor.3;

The first is "old" and the second is "new"; the first brought "death" and the second brings "life"; the first was "glorious" the second is "much more glorious"; the first brought "condemnation" and the second brings "righteousness" which free from condemnation (Rom. 8:1-4); the first was "the letter" and the second is of "the Spirit"; the first had "no glory" in comparison to the second "by reason of the glory that excelleth"; the frist was "done away" and "abolished" and the second "remaineth"; the first came by "Moses" and was "done away in Christ"; the first required a vail to hide the glory because it was "the ministration of death" but the exceeding glory of the second can be looked upon with "open face" because it is "the spirit that giveth life"; and the first brought blindness and bondage while the second brings enlightenment and liberty and changes character by the spirit of the Lord.

A mere change in administration of the old covenant the failure of either party in keeping it, or the place where it is written does not change the covenant from a old to a new one. Nor does such change its glory in any sense as some argue in trying to get around this plain Scripture which says three times that the old covenant was "done away" and once that it was "abolished" in Christ. Any change in the administration of a contract or the terms of a will would not change the will or contract itself. A will or a contract itself would have to be changed or a new one take the place of the old one if it would be "done away" and "abolished" as is here stated of the old covenant.

Christ came to "fulfill" the law before He "abolished" it on the cross (Matt. 5:17, 18). The Greek word for "fulfill"is PLERO, to satisfy, execute, finish, end, make complete, and cause to expire. It is translated "Fulfilled in connection with many prophecies which came to an end when they were "fulfilled" (Matt. 1:22; 2:15, 17, 23; 4:14; 8:17; 12:17; 13:35; 26:54-56; 27:9, 35; ect. That the law also ceased to be in force when it was "fulfilled" is clear from (Matt 11:13; Luke 16:16; 24:27, 44; Gal. 3:19-25). The law was only a shadow of things to come and when these realities came the mere type, picture, or shadow of them was no longer needed (Col. 2:14-17; Heb. 4:1-11; 8:1-6; 9:1-10; 10:1-18).

The law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by "Jesus Christ" (John 1:17). This not only proves that the law was not made know before Moses, but that is was replaced by the new covenant of grace and truth when Christ came.

Some teach Isaiah 8:20 holds us to the Old Covenant and all its Laws. This is not so.

Isaiah 8:20 has nothing to do with honoring the sabbath, or keeping the old covenant which has been done away and has been replaced with the new.

Isaiah 8:20, Isaiah the prophets great call to all men to try everything by the revealed Word of God (Verse 20). Anything contrary to the written revelation of God is of demons and satanic spirits, and not of the Holy Spiirit. The written Word of God is the true light; and those who want light and truth will follow it and reject all things to the contrary.

Verse 21; "And they shall pass through it, hardly bestead and hungry: and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be hungry, they shall fret themselves, and curse their king and their God, and look upward," They who live not in the light of God's Word will walk in Spiritual darkness. They shall wander here, and there through it (Immanuel's land, Palestine-the subject of this prophecy, Verse 8). hungry and oppressed by the judgments of God through other nations fretting themselves in themselves in spite of their trust in demon spirits who promise them help; and they will curse the king and their God for their miseries (Verse 21). They shall look up to heaven and down to the earth for help and shall find none; they shall have trouble and spiritul darkness and anguish to the point of dispair (Verse 22).

The following is prophecy, and Isaiah called all men to try everything by the revealed Word of God.

That being said, Scripture teaches that God foretold in prophecy that He would do away with the sabbaths, and feast days: "It was fortold that the sabbath would be abolished because it had become something to be abhorred by God The reason God hated it was because of the sins and hypocrisy of Israel in keeping the sabbath which was a "sign" between Him and Israel. "I will cause her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, AND HER SABBATHS, and all her solomn feasts" (Hosea 2:11).

"Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts? Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto Me; the new moons and SABBATHS, the calling of assemblies, I CANNOT AWAY WITH; it is an iniquity, even the solomn meeting. Your new moons and your appointed feasts MY SOUL HATETH; they are a troubleunto me; I AM WEARY TO BEAR THEM. And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.(Isiah 1:10-15).

Also, "I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts (Hosea 2:11);

"But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years" (Galatians 4:9-10)

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ" (Collosians 2:14-17);

People can worship on any day they choose as the Scriptures, and the New Testament, the New Covenant teaches;

"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living" (Romans 14:5-9).

As I said earlier. If anyone lives by the Law, after Jesus has fulfilled the Law and has done away with it, they must live by all its precepts which is impossible for men to do, and this is why the Old Law, could not save anyone, and only Jesus could fulfill it. Once he fulfilled the entire Old Law it could then be abolished and a New Covenant was ushered in.

" Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord" (Romans 5:20-21);

"What shall we say then? SHALL WE CONTINUE IN SIN, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that HENCEFORTH WE SHOULD NOT SERVE SIN. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not SIN therefore REIGN in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are NOT UNDER THE LAW, but under grace" (Romans 6:1-14).

God has made it very clear plainly showing why the Old was fulfilled by Jesus, the only one who could fullfill the Old, which had to be abolished so that the New can be ushered in. I stoped counting when I reached about 300 Scriptures? If one takes the time to read all these Scriptures in becomes very clear.

1. One is called "the first covenant"; and other "the second covenant" (Heb. 8:7; 9:1-18; 10:1-9);

2. The first is called "the old covenant'; the second is called the "new covenant" (Matt. 26:28; 2 Cor. 3; Heb. 8:13).

3. The first covenant was given by Moses; the second by Jesus Christ (John 1:17; Gal. 3:19; Heb. 9:15; Matt. 26:28).

4. One is "the law of Moses"; the other is "the law of Christ" (Acts 13:39; Gal. 6:2).

5. One is "the law of sin"; the other is "the law of righteousness" (Rom. 7:7-25; 8:1-4; 9:31).

6. One is the law of "the flesh"; the other is "the law of the Spirit" (Rom. 7:5, 6; 8:1-4; Gal. 5:16-26).

7. One is "not of faith"; the other is "the law of faith" (Gal. 3:12; Rom.3:27).

8. One is the "yoke of bondage"; the other is "the law of liverty" (Gal. 5:1; James 1:18-25).

9. One is brought to an end by Christ (Rom. 16:4; 2 Cor. 3:14; Heb. 10:9); the other is established by Christ (Heb. 8:6; 9:15; 2 Cor. 3:6-18; Matt. 26:28).

10. One brought death; the other brought life (2 Cor. 3:6-18; Rom 8:1-4; Gal. 3:21; Heb. 9:15; 10:1-18).

11. One makes guilty (Rom. 3:19-20); the other justifies or makes not guilty (Acts 13:39; Rom. 3:21-31; 5:1-11).

12. One is "a shadow of things to come"; the other is the reality (Col. 2:14-17; Heb. 10:1-18).

13. On is "fulfilled" or completed; the other is still in force (Matt. 5:17, 18; 2 Cor. 3:6-18; Heb. 10:9).

14. One demanded righteousness; the other gace righteousness (Luke 10:28; Rom. 8:1-4; Gal. 3:1-29; 5:1-26).

15. One made nothing perfect; the other made perfect (Heb. 7:19).

16. One was glorious; the other was more glorious (2 Cor. 3).

17. One was powerless to save from sin; the other saves to the uttermost (Heb. 7:11-28; 8:7-13; 9:9-28; 10:1-18).

18. One had many sacrifices; the other had only one (Heb. 9:9-14; 10:14; Rom. 6:6-13).

19. One had a changeable priesthood; the other did not (Heb. 7:23-28; 4:14-16; Rom. 8:34).

20. One remembered sins; the other forgets sin (Heb. 10:3; 8:12; etc.),

21. One had a representative and a seasonal access to God (Heb. 9:7-10; the other had a personal and daily access to God (Heb. 4:14-16; 7:25; 10:19, 20. Eph. 2:18).

22. One had a sinful ministry (Heb. 5:1-4); the other had a sinless ministry (Heb. 7:26-28; 2 Cor. 3; 1 John 3:9).

23. One was given under the Levitical priesthood (Heb. 7:11, 12); the other under the present Melchizadek priesthood (Heb. 6:20; 7:11-12, 24).

24. One had an earthly tabernacle service of animal sacrifices (Heb. 9:1-10); the other had a heavenly tabernalce of services of spiritual salvation (Heb. 4:14-16; 7:25; 8:1-5; 9:11-15).

25. One had a sinful mediator (Gal. 3:19); the other had a sinless mediator (1 Tim. 2:5; Heb. 7:26; 1 Pet. 2:22).

26. One had no eternal inheritance (Romans 4:13); the other has an eternal inheritance (Rom. 8:17; Heb. 9:15; 1 Pet. 1).

27. One was ratified by animal blood (Ex. 29:1-8; Heb. 9:16-22); the other by the blood of Christ (Matt. 26:28).

28. One was a law of works; the other a law of grace (John 1:17; Rom. 3:24-31; Gal. 3:10-12; Eph. 2:8-9).

29. One brought wrath (Rom. 4:15); the other brought salvation from wrath (Rom. 5:9; Gal. 3:13, 14).

30. One could not redeem; the other could (Gal. 3:10-14; Rom. 8:1-4; Eph. 1:7; Col. 1:14; Heb. 7:25).

31. One could not satisfy God's demands; the other did (Gal. 2:21; heb. 7:22; 8:6; 10:5-18).

32. One made no provision for doing miracles; the other one provided fro them (Gal. 3:1-5; 1 John 5:8; John 14:12; Luke 24:49).

33. Prophecy fortold the abolishing of one and establishing of the other (Isa. 51:4; Jer. 31:33; Acts. 3:22; Heb. 8:7-13; 10:4-18; Rom. 11:25-29).

34. One had a fleshy sign of obedience (Acts 7:8; Rom. 2:25); the did not (Rom. 4:11; 1 Cor. 7:18).

35. One was too weak to overcome sin; the other gave victory over sin (Rom. 6:1-23; 8:1-4; Eph. 2:8, 9; 1 John 5:1-18).

36. One was made to be changed (Heb. 7:11-22; 8:5, 6; 9:9, 10; 10:1-18; Gal. 3:19-24; the other was made to be unchanged (Heb. 7:22; 8:6; 10:9; 13:20).

It is easily sumerised by the following passages.

"For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost" (Romans 14:17). "For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him" (Romans 14:2-3).

"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.(Romans 14:5-6).

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." (Col. 2:14-17).

By being sinless and remaining sinless whilst on the earth, something man could not do, Jesus fulfilled the Law. The reason Jesus gave His life was to redeem mankind, nothing more!

Sin is the breaking of these commandments which are the only part of the Old Testament retained as part of the New Testament.Compare and check these Scriptures.

1. Ex. 20:3 with Rom. 5:8; 1 Cor. 13; 1 John 3:1-4:21.

2. Ex. 20:4-6 with Rom. 2:22; 1 Cor. 5:10; 6:9-11; 8:1-10; 10:7, 19-28; 2 Cor. 6:16; Eph. 5:5; 1 John 5:21; Acts 15.

3. Ex. 20:7 with Acts 26:11; Rom. 2:24; Col. 3:8; Tit. 3.

4. Ex. 20:8-10 (not commanded in the new covenant). "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks" (Rom. 14:5-6).

5: Ex. 20:12 with Eph. 6:2-3; Col. 3:20; 2 Tim. 3:2.

6. Ex. 20:13 with Rom. 13:9; 1 Pet. 4:15; 1 John 3:15.

7. Ex. 20:14 with Rom. 2:22; 13:9; 1 Cor. 6:9-11; Gal. 5:19-21; Heb. 13:4.

8. Ex. 20:15 with Rom. 2:21; 13:9; Eph. 4:28.

9. Ex. 10:16 with Rom. 13:9.

10. Ex. 20:17 with Rom. 13:9; 1 Cor. 5:10, 11; 6:9-11.

Richard_yaash · January 29, 2008

ANSWER TO WHEN IS THE SABBATH? <BIG snip>

Hi Hazard,

As it is late and I must get some rest, I must call it a night. I am willing however to spend the time and speak with you about this in great depth though. Would/Are you willing to delve into this with me?

One thing troubles me though, what you posted feels/seems very familiar as though I have read it before (ie: It is a copy and paste from somewhere). If not, my sincere apologies. If so, would you please be so kind as to give the author (or author's) credit. It is possible that you did and that I missed it as I only scanned the document. If you are the sole author of the document, I tip my hat to you.

Until tomorrow,

Richard

Richard_yaash · January 29, 2008

ANSWER TO WHEN IS THE SABBATH? <BIG snip>

PS: If you are willing to delve into this with me, and I spend/take the time to respond to this on a point by point basis. Are you willing to also give of your time and respond to me on a ***point by point*** basis? The reason I ask this, is as you no doubt realize that what you have presented is rather long, it will no doubt require a considerable amount of my time to respond 'point by point'. I am asking if you are willing to give of your time in a like manner.

Before you answer, please take the time to consider your answer carefully.

And so, are you willing?

In all earnestness,

Richard

January 29, 2008

Please do not be merely offended with I am about to ask... It is a sincere curosity. No doubt, Sabbath keeping is a genuinely held conviction among half of the participants in this thread. I encourage you to be honest to your conviction until the Lord tells you different. But, I have an observation that may or not be true in your region of the world. Here in North Carolina, there are many Seventh Day Adventist. It has been my observation nearly all of these churches rent space on Sunday to new church starts. In my community a local Presbyterian church uses the facility and have for years. They share sign space in the front yard promoting both churches. The Synagogue with a 200 year history shares its facilties with a Unitarian Church. If Sabbath keeping is so central to your belief, why contribute to the delinquency of other beleivers at a profit?

That is a good question...

When we started our little church 4 years ago. We found a church that met on Saturdays, a little Hungarian Seventh Day Adventist church They heard about our need and actually offered the building to us, we don't use it anymore but when we have a Baptismal service, they allow us to use it.

They never seemed to have any problem with our meeting on Sundays, any more than we have a problem with their conviction to meet on Saturdays. They are very sweet people, cute little hungarians.

SDA's are not the only ones who meet on Saturdays though, Catholic's are notorious for having Mass on Saturday. I wonder if their reasoning is the same. Where I live most people, 80%, are Catholic. I don't think my friend, that goes to church on Saturday is SDA either.

To me: I don't care when a person goes to church, or where, it's what they hear in church that matters!

kat8585 · January 29, 2008

ANSWER TO WHEN IS THE SABBATH?

The sabbath day is the seventh day of the week and the seventh day of the week is SATURDAY. . . . . . . . BUT . . . . . . .

Scripture teaches that God foretold in PROPHECY that He would do away with the sabbaths, and feast days: "It was fortold that the sabbath would be abolished because it had become something to be abhorred by God The reason God hated it was because of the sins and hypocrisy of Israel in keeping the sabbath which was a "sign" between Him and Israel. "I will cause her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, AND HER SABBATHS, and all her solomn feasts" (Hosea 2:11).

Then why will we keep the Sabbath in Heaven? I don't have the text handy but I think it is in Revelation.

Pilgrim7 · January 29, 2008

Kat,

Isn't it amazing the length some will go to in denigrating God's Holy Sabbath Day, and Championing a day instituted by man as of more importance.

The text your talking about is in Isaiah:

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

I guess many think that Jesus gave us a 'time out' on Sabbath worship. He created the Sabbath and made it His holy day at creation, it was kept Holy by Jesus and the Apostles, and then all of a sudden it is not required, until the New heavens and earth. Strange reasoning to say the least.

Hmm!! God hates His Holy Sabbath Day. God hates His gift to all mankind. God hates what He created and made Holy. Wow!! As to God abhorring their Sabbaths, it was because they lived in sin and then came before Him on the Sabbath as though they were His people. Look at the wording, He calls it their Sabbaths, when it is His Holy Sabbath day. They polluted His Holy Sabbath Day. It was the people who drew near to him with their mouths while their hearts were far from Him that he abhorred, sort of like today.

God's Holy Sabbath Day is eternal, it was made for all mankind at creation, it has been in existence since then, it is in existence now, and will be through eternity. This is the teaching of the Scriptures, no 'time outs'. Sabbath breaking has been a sin from the beginning, it is now and will be until the Law is done away with at the judgment.

It is always so amazing to me that so many 'people who love god' have such an attitude against His Holy Sabbath Day which like 'Salvation' is a free gift from God and part of their heritage. How can one love the 'Giver' and not the 'Gift'.

God Bless,

Dennis

jenwat3 · January 29, 2008

ANSWER TO WHEN IS THE SABBATH?

The sabbath day is the seventh day of the week and the seventh day of the week is SATURDAY. . . . . . . . BUT . . . . . . .

Scripture teaches that God foretold in PROPHECY that He would do away with the sabbaths, and feast days: "It was fortold that the sabbath would be abolished because it had become something to be abhorred by God The reason God hated it was because of the sins and hypocrisy of Israel in keeping the sabbath which was a "sign" between Him and Israel. "I will cause her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, AND HER SABBATHS, and all her solomn feasts" (Hosea 2:11).

"Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto Me; the new moons and SABBATHS, the calling of assemblies, I CANNOT AWAY WITH; it is an iniquity, even the solomn meeting. Your new moons and your appointed feasts MY SOUL HATETH; they are a troubleunto me; I AM WEARY TO BEAR THEM (Isiah 1:10-15).

Also, Hosea 2:11; Galatians 4:9-10; Colossians 2:14-17; Romans 14:5-6.

In saying this Jesus finished sabbath observance. Jesus Christ finished His redemptive work and completed His victory over death, Hell, and the grave at the close of the seventh day sabbath of the old law and He rested on the first day. The first day of the greatest victory for God and the universe. It was the great day of triumph over sin, satan, death, and Hell. It was the day of joy and praise because of the resurrection, which guarentees the salvation and eternal life of all men who believe (1 Cor. 15; Rom. 4:25; 5:10; John 14:19; 1 Pet. 1:3; 3:2).

It was on the first day of the week that Christ met with His disciples. Exactly one week later on the second first day of the week He again met with them (John 20:19, 26). This was no mere accident. The Lord wanted to sanction that day as the one to be observed from that time on.

Christians are free to celebrate on any day they choose. Many prefer to worship as did Jesus and the apostles.

Scripture states that the sabbath can be celebrated on any day one chooses. The New Testament does not command men to keep any particular sabbath. On the contrary it teaches that men can choose which day if any that he wants to keep unto the Lord (Read Romans 14:5-6; Gal. 4:9-10; Col. 2:14-17).

Conserning meats and sabbath days: "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. LET EVERY MAN BE FULLY PERSUADED IN HIS OWN MIND. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day doth not regard it. . . . But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at naught thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. . . . So then every one of us shall give account of Himself to God. LET US NOT THEREFORE JUDGE ONE ANOTHER ANY MORE" (Rom. 14:1-13; Gal. 4:9-11; Col.2:14-17).

If the law of Moses, including the fourth commandment, was in force in the New Covenant the above statements would have never been written by Paul. Each Christian can do as he pleases concerning the sabbath and he is not to be judged by his brother "any more."

The apostles here did away with all keeping of the law, sabbath keeping and cricumcision and stated in no uncertain terms that Gentiles were not to keep the Old Law of Moses which included the Old Jewish sabbath.

Included in this apostolic decree that Christians are not to keep the law in any detail was the very sign of law keeping which was abolished------circumcision. Even those who keep the Lewish sabbath do not practice this, thus proving again their inconsistency in requiring men to keep the law they themselves do not keep (Ex. 12"44-48; Lev. 12:3; John 7:22-23).

The seventh day like every other day of the week is not eliminated? Saturday still rolles around as it always has and will continue to do. People can keep this day holy if they so wish if it suits them. What Scripture teaches is that people now can choose which day they wish to keep holy.

Scripture states that the sabbath can be celebrated on any day one chooses. The New Testament does not command men to keep any particular sabbath. On the contrary it teaches that men can choose which day if any that he wants to keep unto the Lord (Read Romans 14:5-6; Gal. 4:9-10; Col. 2:14-17). In fact I will quote thme directly out of the Bible.

"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks" (Romans 14:5-6).

"But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain"(Gal. 4:9-11).

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ" (Coll. 2:14-17).

Observing the Sabbath day and all its rituals and laws which were given to Israel these blotted out by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and a New Covenant now exists.

The Word, who became flesh, created all things, therefore it was He who rested on the seventh day. It was He who made the sabbath. He is Lord of the sabbath and as such He can and did have the authority to do what He did.

Jesus is; "Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:" (Eph. 1:21).

The Father Had Given Jesus all power and dominion over all things;
"And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church," (Eph. 1:22).

"Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW of COMMANDMENTS contained in ORDINENCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;" (Eph. 2:15).

Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written NOT WITH INK, but with the Spirit of the living God; NOT IN TABLETS OF STONE, but in fleshy tables of the heart." (2 Cor. 3:3).

The aposlte Paul said that the Old Covenant Law was no weak and beggarly. Paul asked, how can we turn back to the weak and beggarly elements of bondage? "But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? (Galations 4:9).

"Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? . . . . the law is not of faith: but the man that doeth them [things of the law] shall live in them. . . . how turn ye AGAIN TO THE WEAK AND BEGGARLY ELEMENTS, whereunto ye desire to be in bondage?" (Gal. 1:6-9; 2:15-21; 3:1-12, 19-25; 4:1-3, 19-31; 5:1-9, 11-21). Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years [that the law required]. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed labour upon you in vain" (Gal. 3:1-12; 4:9-11). Going back to observe sabbaths according to the law is spoken of here as going back into the bondage of the law. If one does this "he is a debtor to the WHOLE LAW" (Gal. 5:3).

The LAW "was added because of transgressions, TILL THE SEED [Christ] SHOULD COME to whom the promise was made. . . . But before faith came [that Christ brought in the gospel and the New Covenant, Hebrews 12:1, 2], we were Kept under the law, shut up unto faith WHICH SHOULD AFTERWARDS BE REVEALED. . . . Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, THAT we might be JUSTIFIED by faith BUT AFTER that faith is come WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A SCHOOLMASTER" (Gal 3:19-25).
Not being "under" the law here is explained as being out from under its authority like one who is no longer under a schoolmaster when he graduates from school. The law is no longer a force and it has no claim or authority over the person under the new covenant. He is under the laws that were never a part of the old covenant, as well as those old laws that God saw fit to make a part of the new covenant.

The law has been "CAST OUT": "Tell me, YE THAT DESIRE TO BE UNDER THE LAW, do ye not hear the law. For it is written, that Abraham had TWO SONS. . . . he who was of the BONDWOMAN was born after the flesh; but he of the FREEWOMAN was by promis. WHICH THINGS ARE AN ALLEGORY: for THESE ARE THE TWO COVENANTS; THE ONE FROM MOUT SINAI which GENDERETH TO BONDAGE, which is Agar [Hagar]. . . . and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and IS IN BONDAGE with her children. But Jerusalem which is above OS FREE, which is the mother of us all. . . . Now we, bretheren, as Isaac was, are the children of promis. BUT AS THEN he that was born after the flesh oersecuted him that is born after the Spirit. even so it is now. nEVERTHELESS WHAT SAITH THE sCRIPTURE? cast out the bondwoman [THE FIRST OR OLD COVENANT FROM MOUNT SINAI] AND HER SON [those under the law]: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, bretheren WE ARE NOT CHILDREN OF THE BONDWOMAN [the old covenant and its many laws], BUT OF THE FREE [the new covenant]. Stand fast therefore IN THE LIBERTY wherewith Christ hath made us FREE, and BE NOT ENTANGLES AGAIN WITH THE YOLK OF BONDAGE [the old covenant]. . . . For I testify again to every man that is circumcised [no man had any part in the old covenant unless he was circumcised], that he is a DEBTOR TO THE WHOLE LAW" (Gal. 4:21-31; 5:1-5, 18).

Modern law keepers never mention this passage for there is no possible way for them to explain such simple language as the old covenant "from Sinai" being "cast out" with all its sons who are under bondage and death. The old covenant that brought death has no more relationship to people under the new covenant that Hagar and Ishmael had with Sarah and Isaac. Abraham was the father of both Ishmael and Isaac, but Ishmael had no part in Isaac's inheritance (Gen. 21:9-21). God was the author of both covenants, but one was designed to bring death and guilt of sin, and the other was designed to bring life and freedom from sin. There can be no keeping of both.

The law was a covenant of types and shadows and was abolished when the realities of those shadows appeared. "Having ABOLISHED in His flesh the enmity [the law of bondage and death], EVEN THE LAW OF COMMANDMENTS contained in ordinances. . . . BLOTTING OUT [making void] the handwritings of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and TOOK IT OUT OF THE WAY, NAILING IT TO HIS CROSS. . . . let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of AN HOLY DAY orof THE NEW MOON, or of THE SABBATH DAYS: WHICH ARE A SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME; but the body [or reality of which those things were mere shadows] is of Christ" (Eph. 2:15; Col. 2:14-17).

Paul call's the Law a curse; and says that Christ free us from it; " Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:" (Gal. 3:13).

Paul says that if righteousness comes by the Law, then Christ died in vain.

"I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain" (Gal. 2:21). "Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW of COMMANDMENTS contained in ORDINENCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;" (Eph. 2:15).
Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written NOT WITH INK, but with the Spirit of the living God; NOT IN TABLETS OF STONE, but in fleshy tables of the heart." (2 Cor. 3:3);

Does not the above Scriptures plainly state and teach that Jesus, abolished in His flesh the emnity, even the LAW of COMMANDMENTS contained in ORDINENCES? Jesus Christ abolished the Law of Commandments contained in ordinences, written NOT WITH INK, but with the Spirit of the living God; NOT IN TABLETS OF STONE, but in fleshy tables of the heart." (2 Cor. 3:3);

The LAW "was added because of transgressions, TILL THE SEED [Christ] SHOULD COME to whom the promise was made. . . . But before faith came [that Christ brought in the gospel and the New Covenant, Hebrews 12:1, 2], we were Kept under the law, shut up unto faith WHICH SHOULD AFTERWARDS BE REVEALED. . . . Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, THAT we might be JUSTIFIED by faith BUT AFTER that faith is come WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A SCHOOLMASTER" (Gal 3:19-25),
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The Jews who have rejected Christ, even killed Him, worship and remain under the Law do they not? Christ brought in the gospel and the New Covenant, Hebrews 12:1, 2], we were Kept under the law, shut up unto faith WHICH SHOULD AFTERWARDS BE REVEALED. . . . Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, THAT we might be JUSTIFIED by faith BUT AFTER that faith is come WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A SCHOOLMASTER" (Gal 3:19-25).
Not being "under" the law here is explained as being out from under its authority like one who is no longer under a schoolmaster when he graduates from school. The law is no longer a force and it has no claim or authority over the person under the new covenant. He is under the laws that were never a part of the old covenant, as well as those old laws that God saw fit to make a part of the new covenant.

The law has been "CAST OUT": "Tell me, YE THAT DESIRE TO BE UNDER THE LAW, do ye not hear the law. For it is written, that Abraham had TWO SONS. . . . he who was of the BONDWOMAN was born after the flesh; but he of the FREEWOMAN was by promis. WHICH THINGS ARE AN ALLEGORY: for THESE ARE THE TWO COVENANTS; THE ONE FROM MOUT SINAI which GENDERETH TO BONDAGE, which is Agar [Hagar]. . . . and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and IS IN BONDAGE with her children. But Jerusalem which is above OS FREE, which is the mother of us all. . . . Now we, bretheren, as Isaac was, are the children of promis. BUT AS THEN he that was born after the flesh oersecuted him that is born after the Spirit. even so it is now. nEVERTHELESS WHAT SAITH THE sCRIPTURE? cast out the bondwoman [THE FIRST OR OLD COVENANT FROM MOUNT SINAI] AND HER SON [those under the law]: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, bretheren WE ARE NOT CHILDREN OF THE BONDWOMAN [the old covenant and its many laws], BUT OF THE FREE [the new covenant]. Stand fast therefore IN THE LIBERTY wherewith Christ hath made us FREE, and BE NOT ENTANGLES AGAIN WITH THE YOLK OF BONDAGE [the old covenant]. . . . For I testify again to every man that is circumcised [no man had any part in the old covenant unless he was circumcised], that he is a DEBTOR TO THE WHOLE LAW" (Gal. 4:21-31; 5:1-5, 18).

Modern law keepers never mention this passage for there is no possible way for them to explain such simple language as the old covenant "from Sinai" being "cast out" with all its sons who are under bondage and death. The old covenant that brought death has no more relationship to people under the new covenant that Hagar and Ishmael had with Sarah and Isaac. Abraham was the father of both Ishmael and Isaac, but Ishmael had no part in Isaac's inheritance (Gen. 21:9-21). God was the author of both covenants, but one was designed to bring death and guilt of sin, and the other was designed to bring life and freedom from sin. There can be no keeping of both.

Scripture plainly teaches that God foretold in prophecy that He would do away with the sabbaths, and feast days: "It was fortold that the sabbath would be abolished because it had become something to be abhorred by God The reason God hated it was because of the sins and hypocrisy of Israel in keeping the sabbath which was a "sign" between Him and Israel. "I will cause her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, AND HER SABBATHS, and all her solomn feasts" (Hosea 2:11).

"Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto Me; the new moons and SABBATHS, the calling of assemblies, I CANNOT AWAY WITH; it is an iniquity, even the solomn meeting. Your new moons and your appointed feasts MY SOUL HATETH; they are a troubleunto me; I AM WEARY TO BEAR THEM (Isiah 1:10-15).

Also, Hosea 2:11; Galatians 4:9-10; Colossians 2:14-17; Romans 14:5-6.

God never forces anyone to do what they do not want to do. Therefore, as i have repeatedly said, anyone can worship in any way they choose! I have ene put up Scripture which clearly says this.

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days" (Coll. 2:16).

Simply put, the whole law of God and MOSES, including the ten commandments, and all the civil and ceremonial laws based upon the ten commandments, was done away with and abolished in Christ on the cross and the New Covenant now takes the place of the Old Covenant. This is plainly stated in 2 Corinthians 3: "Who hath made us able ministers of THE NEW TESTAMENT . . . . if THE MINISTRATION OF DEATH, WRITTEN AND ENGRAVED IN STONES (the ten commandments); was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance WHICH WAS DONE AWAY. For if THE MINISTRATION OF CONDEMNATION be glory, MUCH MORE doth THE MINISTRATION OF RIGHTEOUSNESS EXCEED IN GLORY. For even that (the old covenant) which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. For if that (the old covenant) WHICH IS DONE AWAY was glorious, MUCH MORE that (the new covenant) WHICH REMAINETH is glorious. . . . not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not steadfastly look to the end of that (the old covenant) WHICH IS ABOLISHED: But their minds were blinded: for UNTIL THIS DAY remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of THE OLD TESTAMENT; WHICH IS DONE AWAY IN CHRIST" (2 Cor. 3:16-15; Col. 2:14-17; Eph. 2:15). The word "vail" in this verse 14 is not in the original Greek, so it is not only the vail that is "done away," but it is the old covenant itself WHICH IS DONE AWAY in Christ on the cross.

Some people need an interpreter to explain this simple passage, but to the common reader it is clear that the old covenant has been "done away" and "abolished" entirely and the new covenant has taken its place. The ten commandments were the only part of the law that was written and engraved on tablets of stone so they were done away with on the cross (Ex. 24:12; 31:18; 32:15; 34:1-4, 27-35; Deut.4:13; 5:22; 10:4). Some argue that it was only the glory of the old covenant that was done away, but what good is an old covenant that has lost its glory? Why contend that we should keep it when we have a better and a new covenant that is more glorious and which remains in force?
Paul argues that the old covenant was given in glory, so if its glory is done away the covenant itself is also done away.

Leaving out the second "glory" in verse 7 and the second "vail" in verse 14, which are not in the original Greek, we have the fact plainly stated in both verses that it is "the old testament; WHICH IS DONE AWAY IN CHRIST." In verse 15 the old covenant is called "MOSES" thus proving that Moses gave the ten commandments.

Note the following contrasts between the old and new covenants in 2 Cor.3;

The first is "old" and the second is "new"; the first brought "death" and the second brings "life"; the first was "glorious" the second is "much more glorious"; the first brought "condemnation" and the second brings "righteousness" which free from condemnation (Rom. 8:1-4); the first was "the letter" and the second is of "the Spirit"; the first had "no glory" in comparison to the second "by reason of the glory that excelleth"; the frist was "done away" and "abolished" and the second "remaineth"; the first came by "Moses" and was "done away in Christ"; the first required a vail to hide the glory because it was "the ministration of death" but the exceeding glory of the second can be looked upon with "open face" because it is "the spirit that giveth life"; and the first brought blindness and bondage while the second brings enlightenment and liberty and changes character by the spirit of the Lord.

A mere change in administration of the old covenant the failure of either party in keeping it, or the place where it is written does not change the covenant from a old to a new one. Nor does such change its glory in any sense as some argue in trying to get around this plain Scripture which says three times that the old covenant was "done away" and once that it was "abolished" in Christ. Any change in the administration of a contract or the terms of a will would not change the will or contract itself. A will or a contract itself would have to be changed or a new one take the place of the old one if it would be "done away" and "abolished" as is here stated of the old covenant.

Christ came to "fulfill" the law before He "abolished" it on the cross (Matt. 5:17, 18). The Greek word for "fulfill"is PLERO, to satisfy, execute, finish, end, make complete, and cause to expire. It is translated "Fulfilled in connection with many prophecies which came to an end when they were "fulfilled" (Matt. 1:22; 2:15, 17, 23; 4:14; 8:17; 12:17; 13:35; 26:54-56; 27:9, 35; ect. That the law also ceased to be in force when it was "fulfilled" is clear from (Matt 11:13; Luke 16:16; 24:27, 44; Gal. 3:19-25). The law was only a shadow of things to come and when these realities came the mere type, picture, or shadow of them was no longer needed (Col. 2:14-17; Heb. 4:1-11; 8:1-6; 9:1-10; 10:1-18).

The law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by "Jesus Christ" (John 1:17). This not only proves that the law was not made know before Moses, but that is was replaced by the new covenant of grace and truth when Christ came.

Some teach Isaiah 8:20 holds us to the Old Covenant and all its Laws. This is not so.

Isaiah 8:20 has nothing to do with honoring the sabbath, or keeping the old covenant which has been done away and has been replaced with the new.

Isaiah 8:20, Isaiah the prophets great call to all men to try everything by the revealed Word of God (Verse 20). Anything contrary to the written revelation of God is of demons and satanic spirits, and not of the Holy Spiirit. The written Word of God is the true light; and those who want light and truth will follow it and reject all things to the contrary.

Verse 21; "And they shall pass through it, hardly bestead and hungry: and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be hungry, they shall fret themselves, and curse their king and their God, and look upward," They who live not in the light of God's Word will walk in Spiritual darkness. They shall wander here, and there through it (Immanuel's land, Palestine-the subject of this prophecy, Verse 8). hungry and oppressed by the judgments of God through other nations fretting themselves in themselves in spite of their trust in demon spirits who promise them help; and they will curse the king and their God for their miseries (Verse 21). They shall look up to heaven and down to the earth for help and shall find none; they shall have trouble and spiritul darkness and anguish to the point of dispair (Verse 22).

The following is prophecy, and Isaiah called all men to try everything by the revealed Word of God.

That being said, Scripture teaches that God foretold in prophecy that He would do away with the sabbaths, and feast days: "It was fortold that the sabbath would be abolished because it had become something to be abhorred by God The reason God hated it was because of the sins and hypocrisy of Israel in keeping the sabbath which was a "sign" between Him and Israel. "I will cause her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, AND HER SABBATHS, and all her solomn feasts" (Hosea 2:11).

"Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts? Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto Me; the new moons and SABBATHS, the calling of assemblies, I CANNOT AWAY WITH; it is an iniquity, even the solomn meeting. Your new moons and your appointed feasts MY SOUL HATETH; they are a troubleunto me; I AM WEARY TO BEAR THEM. And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.(Isiah 1:10-15).

Also, "I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts (Hosea 2:11);

"But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years" (Galatians 4:9-10)

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ" (Collosians 2:14-17);

People can worship on any day they choose as the Scriptures, and the New Testament, the New Covenant teaches;

"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living" (Romans 14:5-9).

As I said earlier. If anyone lives by the Law, after Jesus has fulfilled the Law and has done away with it, they must live by all its precepts which is impossible for men to do, and this is why the Old Law, could not save anyone, and only Jesus could fulfill it. Once he fulfilled the entire Old Law it could then be abolished and a New Covenant was ushered in.

" Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord" (Romans 5:20-21);

"What shall we say then? SHALL WE CONTINUE IN SIN, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that HENCEFORTH WE SHOULD NOT SERVE SIN. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not SIN therefore REIGN in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are NOT UNDER THE LAW, but under grace" (Romans 6:1-14).

God has made it very clear plainly showing why the Old was fulfilled by Jesus, the only one who could fullfill the Old, which had to be abolished so that the New can be ushered in. I stoped counting when I reached about 300 Scriptures? If one takes the time to read all these Scriptures in becomes very clear.

1. One is called "the first covenant"; and other "the second covenant" (Heb. 8:7; 9:1-18; 10:1-9);
2. The first is called "the old covenant'; the second is called the "new covenant" (Matt. 26:28; 2 Cor. 3; Heb. 8:13).
3. The first covenant was given by Moses; the second by Jesus Christ (John 1:17; Gal. 3:19; Heb. 9:15; Matt. 26:28).
4. One is "the law of Moses"; the other is "the law of Christ" (Acts 13:39; Gal. 6:2).
5. One is "the law of sin"; the other is "the law of righteousness" (Rom. 7:7-25; 8:1-4; 9:31).
6. One is the law of "the flesh"; the other is "the law of the Spirit" (Rom. 7:5, 6; 8:1-4; Gal. 5:16-26).
7. One is "not of faith"; the other is "the law of faith" (Gal. 3:12; Rom.3:27).
8. One is the "yoke of bondage"; the other is "the law of liverty" (Gal. 5:1; James 1:18-25).
9. One is brought to an end by Christ (Rom. 16:4; 2 Cor. 3:14; Heb. 10:9); the other is established by Christ (Heb. 8:6; 9:15; 2 Cor. 3:6-18; Matt. 26:28).
10. One brought death; the other brought life (2 Cor. 3:6-18; Rom 8:1-4; Gal. 3:21; Heb. 9:15; 10:1-18).
11. One makes guilty (Rom. 3:19-20); the other justifies or makes not guilty (Acts 13:39; Rom. 3:21-31; 5:1-11).
12. One is "a shadow of things to come"; the other is the reality (Col. 2:14-17; Heb. 10:1-18).
13. On is "fulfilled" or completed; the other is still in force (Matt. 5:17, 18; 2 Cor. 3:6-18; Heb. 10:9).
14. One demanded righteousness; the other gace righteousness (Luke 10:28; Rom. 8:1-4; Gal. 3:1-29; 5:1-26).
15. One made nothing perfect; the other made perfect (Heb. 7:19).
16. One was glorious; the other was more glorious (2 Cor. 3).
17. One was powerless to save from sin; the other saves to the uttermost (Heb. 7:11-28; 8:7-13; 9:9-28; 10:1-18).
18. One had many sacrifices; the other had only one (Heb. 9:9-14; 10:14; Rom. 6:6-13).
19. One had a changeable priesthood; the other did not (Heb. 7:23-28; 4:14-16; Rom. 8:34).
20. One remembered sins; the other forgets sin (Heb. 10:3; 8:12; etc.),
21. One had a representative and a seasonal access to God (Heb. 9:7-10; the other had a personal and daily access to God (Heb. 4:14-16; 7:25; 10:19, 20. Eph. 2:18).
22. One had a sinful ministry (Heb. 5:1-4); the other had a sinless ministry (Heb. 7:26-28; 2 Cor. 3; 1 John 3:9).
23. One was given under the Levitical priesthood (Heb. 7:11, 12); the other under the present Melchizadek priesthood (Heb. 6:20; 7:11-12, 24).
24. One had an earthly tabernacle service of animal sacrifices (Heb. 9:1-10); the other had a heavenly tabernalce of services of spiritual salvation (Heb. 4:14-16; 7:25; 8:1-5; 9:11-15).
25. One had a sinful mediator (Gal. 3:19); the other had a sinless mediator (1 Tim. 2:5; Heb. 7:26; 1 Pet. 2:22).
26. One had no eternal inheritance (Romans 4:13); the other has an eternal inheritance (Rom. 8:17; Heb. 9:15; 1 Pet. 1).
27. One was ratified by animal blood (Ex. 29:1-8; Heb. 9:16-22); the other by the blood of Christ (Matt. 26:28).
28. One was a law of works; the other a law of grace (John 1:17; Rom. 3:24-31; Gal. 3:10-12; Eph. 2:8-9).
29. One brought wrath (Rom. 4:15); the other brought salvation from wrath (Rom. 5:9; Gal. 3:13, 14).
30. One could not redeem; the other could (Gal. 3:10-14; Rom. 8:1-4; Eph. 1:7; Col. 1:14; Heb. 7:25).
31. One could not satisfy God's demands; the other did (Gal. 2:21; heb. 7:22; 8:6; 10:5-18).
32. One made no provision for doing miracles; the other one provided fro them (Gal. 3:1-5; 1 John 5:8; John 14:12; Luke 24:49).
33. Prophecy fortold the abolishing of one and establishing of the other (Isa. 51:4; Jer. 31:33; Acts. 3:22; Heb. 8:7-13; 10:4-18; Rom. 11:25-29).
34. One had a fleshy sign of obedience (Acts 7:8; Rom. 2:25); the did not (Rom. 4:11; 1 Cor. 7:18).
35. One was too weak to overcome sin; the other gave victory over sin (Rom. 6:1-23; 8:1-4; Eph. 2:8, 9; 1 John 5:1-18).
36. One was made to be changed (Heb. 7:11-22; 8:5, 6; 9:9, 10; 10:1-18; Gal. 3:19-24; the other was made to be unchanged (Heb. 7:22; 8:6; 10:9; 13:20).

It is easily sumerised by the following passages.

"For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost" (Romans 14:17). "For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him" (Romans 14:2-3).

"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.(Romans 14:5-6).
"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." (Col. 2:14-17).

By being sinless and remaining sinless whilst on the earth, something man could not do, Jesus fulfilled the Law. The reason Jesus gave His life was to redeem mankind, nothing more!

Sin is the breaking of these commandments which are the only part of the Old Testament retained as part of the New Testament.Compare and check these Scriptures.

1. Ex. 20:3 with Rom. 5:8; 1 Cor. 13; 1 John 3:1-4:21.
2. Ex. 20:4-6 with Rom. 2:22; 1 Cor. 5:10; 6:9-11; 8:1-10; 10:7, 19-28; 2 Cor. 6:16; Eph. 5:5; 1 John 5:21; Acts 15.
3. Ex. 20:7 with Acts 26:11; Rom. 2:24; Col. 3:8; Tit. 3.

4. Ex. 20:8-10 (not commanded in the new covenant). "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks" (Rom. 14:5-6).

5: Ex. 20:12 with Eph. 6:2-3; Col. 3:20; 2 Tim. 3:2.
6. Ex. 20:13 with Rom. 13:9; 1 Pet. 4:15; 1 John 3:15.
7. Ex. 20:14 with Rom. 2:22; 13:9; 1 Cor. 6:9-11; Gal. 5:19-21; Heb. 13:4.
8. Ex. 20:15 with Rom. 2:21; 13:9; Eph. 4:28.
9. Ex. 10:16 with Rom. 13:9.
10. Ex. 20:17 with Rom. 13:9; 1 Cor. 5:10, 11; 6:9-11.

The verses that say "Her Sabbaths" are not referring to God's Sabbaths. Theses are referring to the false sabbaths and holidays that so many keep. I did not read all of your post, so I only picked out a few things here. Ex.20:8-10 is not talking about Sabbath days. This is talking about days of fasting.

Vickilynn · January 29, 2008

Jesus is our Sabbath Rest

Direct support for this?

The Lord Jesus is our Sabbath rest (Heb 4:9)

Hmmm. I respectfully disagree that Hebrews 4:9 and surrounding context support this.

Shalom Richard,

That is your choice.

It appears you have totally misunderstood my position and what exactly I'm saying here.

Therefore, let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a sabbath. These are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. (Colossians 2:13-17)

And perhaps you are reading INTO what I am posting (micro-analyzing) , rather than truly understanding my POV:

I DO observe the 7th day Sabbath in case you aren't aware, and the verses posted prove that we are to observe the Sabbath in YESHUA, not under the Law. And as such I do not believe the Scriptures state that keeping the Sabbath affects one's salvation, Salvation is found ONLY by grace through faith in Messiah Jesus, not through keeping the Sabbath.

Ephesians 2

8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Since you have made several references to you not using your Bible and living as an "atheist", are you in fact a born-again Believer in Messiah Yeshua?

With you tossing in Hebrew, are you Jewish? Do you believe the whole Bible to be G-d's Word, from Genesis to Revelation?

And no, this is not idle curiosity, but rather important information to dialogue on this board (and it is within the TOS which you admit you have not read,) for someone who does not have Jesus as their L-rd and Savior, or one who does not go by the Bible (as a whole) and believe it to be G-d's infallible Word does not relate on the same spiritual level as someone who does.

BTW, how can someone agree to the TOS which they admit they haven't read?

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