Please tell me... When is the Sabbath?

[jenwat3]

I have mentioned previously that the Sabbath being part of the 10 Commandments is a good indication of how seriously God takes this matter. Let me explain why. The Bible was written by men inspired by the Holy Spirit. However, the 10 Commandments were written by God Himself! Are you going to question what God Himself wrote?

Jemdude jenwat3

This is not a debate on observing the Sabbath or not observing the Sabbath, it is about WHEN to observe the Sabbath.

And here is what He wrote.

8 Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy.

9 For six days you shall labour and do all your work.

10 But the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work

[Pilgrim7]

Hmm, the Jewish Sabbath?

Isa 58:13 If you turn away your foot from the sabbath, from doing your pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shall honour him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words:

58:14 Then shall you delight yourself in the LORD.....

Someone better tell the Lord that it isn't His Holy Day, but that it is the Jews Holy Day, for he seems confused on the issue. He thinks that he made it for all mankind at creation, when He made it for Adam. He thinks that the Sabbath is a means of 'delighting oneself in Him' as Adam did on the first Sabbath after having been created.

It always amazes me how man is so much smarter that God, or could it be the other way around.

Food for thought.

God bless,

Dennis

[Vickilynn]

Jemdude,

I just wanted to say Shabbat Shalom to you.

May the L-rd bless you as you seek to glorify Him in all you do.

And this is a reminder to all of us:

Romans 14

5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.

Shabbat Shalom to you too Vickilynn.

We both agree that Saturday is the Sabbath, but disagree on whether it is a salvation issue.

First of all, I do not believe that Romans 14:5 is referring to the Sabbath but to man-made arrangements. A good example is whether or not to have mid-week prayer meeting on a Wednesday or Thursday. The Sabbath is not a day that "one person esteems as better than another" or a man-made day, but a day that God Himself set aside for us.

Is it essential to a person's salvation? Yes it is. For example, if a Christian kept all the commandments except that he worshipped Thor in addition to God, is that person's salvation going to be affected? Yes it would be.

The problem with your position is that it makes the Sabbath into an optional teaching instead of a compulsory one. However, I do know that there are many people who are breaking the Sabbath out of ignorance. We need to pray for those people that they will discover the Sabbath truth and follow it and discover how great keeping the Sabbath day really is.

Shalom Jemdude,

I was simply sharing my heartfelt blessings for the Sabbath for you and your family and your threw it back in my face in favor of argument and pushing your debate. WOW, that's cold dude. Well, my blessing was sincere even though you did not receive it. G-d bless you anyway.

BTW, The question of this thread was WHEN is the Sabbath.

Shalom to you anyway.

[Vickilynn]

Jemdude,

I just wanted to say Shabbat Shalom to you.

May the L-rd bless you as you seek to glorify Him in all you do.

And this is a reminder to all of us:

Romans 14

5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.

Shabbat Shalom to you too Vickilynn.

We both agree that Saturday is the Sabbath, but disagree on whether it is a salvation issue.

Shalom JemDude,

And I was offering something other than a debate, focusing on what we both agree on and offering a blessing in the L-rd, yet you refuse the offering of grace and love from your sister to argue. OK. I'll respond in like.

1) Yes, we disagree that the Sabbath is a salvation issue because the Scriptures plainly state that our WORKS do not save us.

Salvation is a free gift from G-d. It is by His grace and through faith in the Messiah that we are saved, not by observing any works.

Ephesians 2:

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

And FYI, NO ONE was ever saved by keeping the Sabbath or any part of the Law. Salvation has always been about faith, not works. So, the Jews were not saved by keeping the Sabbath and neither are we.

Romans 3

20For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:

21But now the righteousness of God) has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it

[Vickilynn]

First of all, I do not believe that Romans 14:5 is referring to the Sabbath but to man-made arrangements. A good example is whether or not to have mid-week prayer meeting on a Wednesday or Thursday. The Sabbath is not a day that "one person esteems as better than another" or a man-made day, but a day that God Himself set aside for us.

Shalom Jemdude.

2) In the context of my Shabbat blessing to you, the Scriptures I posted are an example of grace. We are to extend grace to the beliefs of others concerning days and foods. I'm sad that you missed the grace in the post and chose to make it an argument, but the Scripture stands valid as an example of how Believers in the Messiah are to behave towards others with differing beliefs.

I personally DO believe Romans 14 applies to the weekly Sabbath, the special Sabbaths, all G-d's Holy days and eating certain foods. I believe Romans 14 speaks of grace in differing views of these works, for they do not affect our salvation.

And here is another:

Romans 14:

10Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11for it is written,

"As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,

and every tongue shall confess to God."

12So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.

And another:

Romans 14

16 So do not let what you regard as good be spoken of as evil. 17For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18Whoever thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men. 19So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding.

[Vickilynn]

Is it essential to a person's salvation? Yes it is. For example, if a Christian kept all the commandments except that he worshipped Thor in addition to God, is that person's salvation going to be affected? Yes it would be.

Shalom Jemdude,

#3. No, keeping the weekly Sabbath is not essential to ones salvation, as already has been posted. We are saved by grace through faith, not by keeping the Sabbath. None of the Jews ever were saved by keeping the Sabbath and neither are we.

The case you are making negates the need for Jesus to be our Savior if all we had to do was keep the Sabbath. I find that very distasteful. It belittles the purpose of the Messiah, His Work, His Sacrifice and all that He did for us. If we could be saved by keeping the Sabbath, we have no need for the Son of G-d to have died for us. Someone should have told Him that before He suffered and died for each of us.

The Scriptures are clear that faith in the Messiah and His salvation, believing and confessing that He is the Son of G-d (roman 10:9-10) is the way of salvation, not by keeping the Sabbath. You are preaching a false doctrine.

The problem with your position is that it makes the Sabbath into an optional teaching instead of a compulsory one. However, I do know that there are many people who are breaking the Sabbath out of ignorance. We need to pray for those people that they will discover the Sabbath truth and follow it and discover how great keeping the Sabbath day really is.

No, I refuse to pray that people will be deceived into thinking that keeping the Sabbath will commend them to G-d, save them in any way shape or form, for that teaching goes against the Scriptures and demeans my Savior who died on the Cross to save me.

That is the problem with your message, it undermines the need for our Savior. Anyone can "keep" the Sabbath and be saved? Really? Then why do we need Jesus? Why did He have to come suffer and die? No one need have faith in the Messiah? No one need repent of their sins? No one need believe in their heart and confess with their mouth that Jesus is the Son of G-d and the Father raised Him from the dead? That goes against what the Scriptures say and I will stand for the Scriptures over man's ways.

[Smalcald]

God also spoke that all males should be circumcised; this was and is kept by the Jewish people then and now. When and where was this command changed? For those who are not circumcised are they not also going directly against God?

[Scarletprayers]

Is it essential to a person's salvation? Yes it is. For example, if a Christian kept all the commandments except that he worshipped Thor in addition to God, is that person's salvation going to be affected? Yes it would be.

Shalom Jemdude,

#3. No, keeping the weekly Sabbath is not essential to ones salvation, as already has been posted. We are saved by grace through faith, not by keeping the Sabbath. None of the Jews ever were saved by keeping the Sabbath and neither are we.

The case you are making negates the need for Jesus to be our Savior if all we had to do was keep the Sabbath. I find that very distasteful. It belittles the purpose of the Messiah, His Work, His Sacrifice and all that He did for us. If we could be saved by keeping the Sabbath, we have no need for the Son of G-d to have died for us. Someone should have told Him that before He suffered and died for each of us.

The Scriptures are clear that faith in the Messiah and His salvation, believing and confessing that He is the Son of G-d (roman 10:9-10) is the way of salvation, not by keeping the Sabbath. You are preaching a false doctrine.

The problem with your position is that it makes the Sabbath into an optional teaching instead of a compulsory one. However, I do know that there are many people who are breaking the Sabbath out of ignorance. We need to pray for those people that they will discover the Sabbath truth and follow it and discover how great keeping the Sabbath day really is.

No, I refuse to pray that people will be deceived into thinking that keeping the Sabbath will commend them to G-d, save them in any way shape or form, for that teaching goes against the Scriptures and demeans my Savior who died on the Cross to save me.

That is the problem with your message, it undermines the need for our Savior. Anyone can "keep" the Sabbath and be saved? Really? Then why do we need Jesus? Why did He have to come suffer and die? No one need have faith in the Messiah? No one need repent of their sins? No one need believe in their heart and confess with their mouth that Jesus is the Son of G-d and the Father raised Him from the dead? That goes against what the Scriptures say and I will stand for the Scriptures over man's ways.

Excellent!

[kat8585]

No, I refuse to pray that people will be deceived into thinking that keeping the Sabbath will commend them to G-d, save them in any way shape or form, for that teaching goes against the Scriptures and demeans my Savior who died on the Cross to save me.

That is the problem with your message, it undermines the need for our Savior. Anyone can "keep" the Sabbath and be saved? Really? Then why do we need Jesus? Why did He have to come suffer and die? No one need have faith in the Messiah? No one need repent of their sins? No one need believe in their heart and confess with their mouth that Jesus is the Son of G-d and the Father raised Him from the dead? That goes against what the Scriptures say and I will stand for the Scriptures over man's ways.

To me, this doesn't sound like what jemdude is saying. He isn't saying that anyone will be saved by keeping the fourth commandment, or any commandment, because works can't save anyone. He is saying we will keep all of the commandments because we are saved.

[Vickilynn]

To me, this doesn't sound like what jemdude is saying. He isn't saying that anyone will be saved by keeping the fourth commandment, or any commandment, because works can't save anyone. He is saying we will keep all of the commandments because we are saved.

Shalom Kat,

Jemdude says that keeping the Sabbath SAVES us. This then negates the need for a Savior.

The problem with your position is that it makes the Sabbath into an optional teaching instead of a compulsory one.

Is it essential to a person's salvation? Yes it is.

And I'll state the Scriptures again that it is not keeping the Sabbath that saves us, but rather our faith through G-d's grace:

Ephesians 2:

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.