am i still saved? i've fallen from grace.

[papasangel]

Hazel, you a a child of God no doubt about it. Please don't let the actions of some"christians" turn you from God's path for you. Sometimes before we really start to mature we have to hit the bottom of the well where the only way out is up. You seem to have the view that christians are perfect. Well as much as some think they are we are not. We stumble and fall down usually many times when we are learning to walk with Jesus.

Maybe the youth group isn't where you need to be. Perhaps the older young adults would suit you better. Teens today are faced with many temptations and many do not know how to handle them. They want to be cool. I get the feeling that being cool is not what you want and that you really want to do the right thing.

Faith is a very giant part of being a christian. It takes a lot of faith to know that what you cannot see or hear or touch etc really exists. As a christian we walk by faith not by sight. The world is full of different people and as you have found out not many know God.

As to you falling away. Well when you dedicated yourself to Christ you were telling God you would follow Him. Don't stop following Him because of what you see others doing. If you are still not sure if your conversion "took" I suggest you get on your knees and have a really heart to heart talk with our Father. He is always there ready to strengthen us in times of distress and you seem to be going through one of those times.

Doubt is a powerful tool the devil uses to sway us from God's path. Rebuke satan and turn to God asking for protetion and that satan begone. That is not to say you will not be tempted in your life. satan is sneaky and conniving and you must be on your guard. satan has but a short time and he know it and it really makes him mad.

My advice is payer whenyou feel doubtful, prayer when you need comforting, prayer when you are thankful. Find a church or youth group that follows christianity closer and join. But remember its not by our works that we are saved. Singing in the choir, being in plays are all well and good but what counts is what is in your heart.

Hope this helps. I will be keeping you in prayer. :dove :hug:

[Guest mcm42]

what more can be added?...

This is a bothersome topic for me. My brother was "saved" and "baptized" and now "knows for sure he isn't saved". I have seen people, myself even, get "saved again, for real this time".

When I was 18 I was leading about 6-8 teens (about my age), all of which, the day I went off to Bible college, all "left the faith". Then the same thing in college, 4 young girls were "saved" while I was leading the youth group at a small church. I was unable to continue this ministry, because I had to work to pay for college, and time was literally gone. These girls quit going to church, and I have no idea what happened to them.

I myself was officially "saved" at 12, but even I at age 15 had a point of "re-commitment" which sent me on this past say 4 year journey of leading youth, and going to Bible college. At, age 15 I myself even said that I was not truly saved at 12.

I think of all the things that worries me is the search for a feeling or a sign. Feelings are untrustworthy. One day we are up, and another we are down. I see this as the pattern and maybe even the heart of the reason for disbelief.

When people "get saved" they do it, often, in an emotionally High experience. Generally they are swayed by a song, or a good message, or just the circumstance they are in. Tears may fall, and a change in life may occur. But when the hard times come, when the heat begins to burn the joy, when the work isn't so fun, and the "high" isn't there anymore, we begin to wonder what we got ourselves into.

I am convinced, that what the apostles, and the early church had, even the reformers and those who bled and died for the cause, had more than an emotional experience. It was something of a commitment, something they knew beyond a shadow of a doubt.

These people who wore holes in the wood on the floor, who spent 5 hours a day in prayer, these people had more than just a feeling or emotional experience. It was a commitment, one that I have yet to see in my own life. Such a dependance on the Holy One, such a trust.

I may have said a lot, or nothing, I do not know which, but if nothing else I will pray for you, because this is not a search that you are alone in, that I am sure, for I myself search daily to be sure of that which I have come to believe.

May God Bless you

[Matthitjah]

Heartsick,

Yes you are! You Long to know Jesus. I mean really know Him.

Let me show you a picture of Him. One that will cause you to be Passionate. See there is Physical Zeal then there is Spiritual Zeal. The second is a Zeal that comes not from our own flesh but from a Love a Christ. One that says it is not a bother to Love anyone else because I love Christ. It is what I'm glad to do. It is not a bother to love Christ for I am so very Grateful!

This is a picture of you and Christ;

Here is you;

Song

[Guest shadow2b]

- -Dave you're AMAZING---

-Partake of His Mercy! Meditate on His Love.