prophecies

[terter]

Posted: "I do not believe that they have a so called word from the Lord to people and do other things I've seen people do."

Thank goodness Yahweh still speaks today and uses prophets.

[Richard_yaash]

note the "but" in there

Sorry to intrude, 'but' if I may: Please compare a few other 'flavours' (translations) with regard to the presence of the conjunction 'but'. Sometimes in reading our favourite 'flavour' we perhaps forget and say something that is purely translational and not quite up to the 'full flavour' of the original manuscript.

Beyond that, I do agree with much/most of what you have presented.

Edited February 4, 2008 by Richard_yaash

[Richard_yaash]

www.blank-ham.org

what?!

Don't worry about it Jackie. From the moment I first read the post it was clear and from a cursory glance at the site, it is simply yet another "Elijah" group. I have met/encountered/seen such many many times before, in fact I have lost count of all the different "Elijah's" that I have met and encountered. It is possible in this case, that the elder never claimed such a title nor would have, the 'title' may have been given posthumously. My former ministry was along these lines, "working" with such groups. I will say no more here upon this.

As for the your OP, I agree with Jehovah Nissi.

As for the gifts: That is indeed a question in this day and age. I believe/know/seen that they are alive and well, I also believe/know/seen that are many imposters.

[jackie d]

www.blank-ham.org

what?!

Don't worry about it Jackie. From the moment I first read the post it was clear and from a cursory glance at the site, it is simply yet another "Elijah" group. I have met/encountered/seen such many many times before, in fact I have lost count of all the different "Elijah's" that I have met and encountered. It is possible in this case, that the elder never claimed such a title nor would have, the 'title' may have been given posthumously. My former ministry was along these lines, "working" with such groups. I will say no more here upon this.

As for the your OP, I agree with Jehovah Nissi.

As for the gifts: That is indeed a question in this day and age. I believe/know/seen that they are alive and well, I also believe/know/seen that are many imposters.

I always get totally lost with posts that sound like something other than sanity is speaking...know what I mean? anyway, I don't get involved in groups I just read the word, much safer in the Word than anywhere else.

And I agree with Jehovah Nissi too.

[Richard_yaash]

<snip>...know what I mean?

I know what you mean only too well.

<snip> I just read the word, much safer in the Word than anywhere else.

Amen and Amen.

[AnaA]

Prophets are not usually believed or accepted in their own country. They also don't really say anything new, but what they say lines up with what's already in scripture, but make it understandable and more detailed for present day people. They are here to reveal scripture and correct. I found a message about one man who has an interesting site. Here's the message I came across on another board.

WARNING!

The information in the linked article is of the sort that could

cause one to be overwhelmed by fear. I do not want to cause

that and I feel like I need to apologize for even posting this,

but it needs to be looked at. As you read, the scope of the

thing will slowly hit you.

http://www.theamericannightmare.org/163_Th..._Abyss_A-D.html

THE GREAT ABYSS

THE LORD'S GREAT LAKE OF FIRE

AN ENTIRE CONTINENT BURNING

THE VERY CONCEPT OF HELL

IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE U.S GOVERNMENT HAS HAD ITS MILITARY, ITS BEST EXPERTS, SCIENTISTS FROM AMERICA'S BEST UNIVERSITIES, AS WELL AS EXPERTS FROM THE CHEVRON OIL COMPANY, EXAMINE WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO READ, AND NOT ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN ABLE TO DISPROVE ANY PART OF IT !! THEY KNOW IT'S TRUE, BUT THERE'S NO SOLUTION, SO THEY DON'T DARE TELL YOU !!

Read the rest at above link.

and then go on to read about Centralia, PA at:

http://www.theamericannightmare.org/99_centralia_A-D.html

I've been reading lots of pages ever since running across the site, and I must say, it seems scriptural.

AnaA

[Richard_yaash]

Here's the message I came across on another board.

WARNING!

The information in the linked article is of the sort that could

cause one to be overwhelmed by fear. I do not want to cause

that and I feel like I need to apologize for even posting this,

but it needs to be looked at. As you read, the scope of the

thing will slowly hit you.

[url <snip> url]

I've been reading lots of pages ever since running across the site, and I must say, it seems scriptural.

Your last words say it in a nutshell. It *seems* Scriptural. I would encourage you to check/confirm their every reference as well as the context of their references.

I reviewed the 'sites' posted and this is nothing that I have not seen many many times over. Yes, they are presenting some 'facts'. If you look closely at the 'sites' posted, you will notice different dates (ie the year) for the same picture on just those two different pages. The 'perspective' of the comparative 'pictures' does not allow nor give a true comparison IMO. In an attempt to be fair and open-minded, let us attribute this to an honest error. Now, that a closer look into their references and the context thereof.

Yes, they do present 'facts', though I will use that term somewhat loosely right now. Did you notice their 'allowed' space for rebuttal? 250 words per and only 3 per day. Forgive me here, however the implication of this is that they are not truly open to any serious rebuttal. 250 words is nothing, 2000 would perhaps be fitting or more appropriate IMO.

I live in an area in which there are many old mines and mine shafts. There have been some which have 'blown up'. One such was about 20 miles from me, it had been used as a garbage dump for 'X' number of years. The garbage however was only dumped near the entrance. I never did hear what caused the actual explosion, however methane had accumulated behind the garbage. The garbage acted as a cork and went off like a cannonball. There have been cases in which houses have been built over these and the mine has collapsed years later. In many/most of the mines, noxious/poisonous/flammable gases have accumulated.

There was a show on I think it was the History channel a while back, perhaps someone here will remember it: Anyway, due to any accumulation of gases within a lake, the lake itself actually 'exploded' for lack of a better term right now. There was a man who had devoted his life to the study of this and feels that such a possibility could occur within our oceans.

Gas(s) dissolves in water until the water reaches the 'saturation' point for that gas. Greater depths and colder water tempuratures also increase the saturation point, or amount of gas that is able to be dissolved in the water. If memory serves, they showed a 'crystal' like form upon the ocean's floor. These 'crystal' like objects where actually formed as the result of the high pressure, cold temps. and the amount of gas (I do not remember if it was methane or nitrogen) permeating from the ocean floor. The theory speculated, though should perhaps magma suddenly warm these waters that the gas could be released with potentially devastating effects creating a cataclysm of 'Biblical' proportions. As in the pages presented, the 'mixture' would have to reach the right proportions.

This is true of methane, nitrogen, carbon dioxide and others. In fact, you can calculate the amount of dissolved cardon dioxide in water through the change in the pH level.

In a forest fire, the fire can get down into the root system of the trees, smoulder along for weeks and pop up again in a blaze some distance away.

That being said: These things are nothing new, they have been with us for hundreds and perhaps thousands of years. Do *not* allow something such as this to trouble or sidetrack you in life. Simply trust 'God' and fear not.

HTH,

Richard

Edited February 4, 2008 by Richard_yaash

[jackie d]

and I must say again, stay in the Word where there is safety and truth.

very well put Richard_yaash

[Openly Curious]

Prophets are not usually believed or accepted in their own country. They also don't really say anything new, but what they say lines up with what's already in scripture, but make it understandable and more detailed for present day people. They are here to reveal scripture and correct.

Amen

[irishcowboy]

thanks Marnie, do you believe in prophecy today? Is the church similar in its treatment of prophecy as Paul speaks of to Corinth?

I absolutely believe in prophecy, as I believe in all of the Gifts of the Spirit. I do not, however, believe we have "prophets" like in the OT (as in the "office of the prophet"). This is dealt with in Heb. 1:1.

Yes, I think all the Spiritual gifts are greatly abused today and misused and misunderstood. And I think that those who don't believe in the present-day manifestation of the Holy Spirit do so to their own loss because, as Paul teaches, the gifts are for the edification of the believer, and we can all use a little edification from time to time, or at least I can, so I cherish the gifts I have and the ones manifested in our congregation.

i would have to think the same, there are those that want to sound more "spiritual" by yelling out 'SEE MY TIE, SEE MY TIE," OR "kenedy hiyola" a dozen times really fast... yes, it is abuse... and misused, and I would have to also agree that we are not to go to one extreme or the other... we need to ensure it is from God...

if we would truly allow people to speak and would heed what was said, you would actually find that there are words of prophecy spoken very much like the days of the O. T. most do not wish to hear such things, so have silenced the speaking in their assemblies (congregations/denominations).

i have seen even AoG pastors tell some one that they were not of God.... and every thing the person spoke was right on the money.....

I believe that more church fellowships do not operate in the Gifts of the Spirit because of the mis-use and abuse of them.... so rather then have to figure out which message(s) to use/keep, they have shut them all off....

I have (personally) seen the gifts used for correction, edification, education, teaching, exhortation, comfort, reproof..... through the word in tongues and interpretation and also a word in Prophecy....

a simple way to look at it, is every one healed? no, why? does that stop us from praying for people to get healed? is not healing one of the gifts? is healing still believed to be for today? if healing is for today, who stopped the other 8 gifts? why would only one or two of the Gifts of the Spirit be for today? they are not...... ALL THE GIFTS OF THE SPIRIT ARE FOR TODAY....

now, I am very skeptical......VERY...... i hear a word in tongues, or prophecy, I scrutinize it..... every word.... judge the words to ensure they are all.......ALL...... aligning up with the Word of God...... if one part does not, i throw the entire message out...... if they do, I keep it.....

if Eve had done the same, she would not have ever eaten of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil..... she herself, tried to outdo satan and added to the Word of God.... (and not even touch it)

the fellowships we have attended over the past have all stopped and after the message, judged it as a congregation, there have been some we threw out, but did not throw out the messenger, just the message if it did not align with the Word.....

we take apart the message phrase by phrase..... some times it might take a few minutes, but as a congregation it also repeats all that was said.......

Paul even encourages the use of the Gifts.....

mike