Marriage & Divorce question

[sheya joie]

Well, after wading through this, I am feeling somewhat .

If not , , & as well...

[kat8585]

Well, after wading through this, I am feeling somewhat .

If not , , & as well...

Yeah.

[deut31:12]

A lot of people read it, but not everybody accepts it.

I agree.

Some read it and find a few passages they want to push as absolute while others look at others and do the same.

You want to push the exceptions as absolute and another poster in this very thread wants to push 'bound by law until death' as absolute.

The rest of us want to 'rightly divide' the word of truth to see if EITHER of these cases is as absolute as you folks claim.

After so many hours in the matter, I personaly dont find that those pushing either of these AS absolute have understood either of them.

When we choose to add anything other than "except for fornication" in this equation then we are adding our won understanding to God's word.

And I say that when we choose to reject the absolute statement that she is BOUND BY LAW UNTIL DEATH of her husband that we are ADDING our own understanding..as you are

I don't reject either. They are both the absolutes that were given to us. We are bound by the of marriage until death, but Jesus also said that law can be broken with infidelity.

[Smalcald]

Certainly I have said on this thread that unrepentant fornication and adultery is not going to be forgiven just because you remarry, but that is a different topic than remarriage in general. I also agree with you Butaro that the biblical reasons given by Christ for divorce are adultery or abandonment by an unbelieving spouse. But that does not help me with the above situation nor does that help this women, what is she to do now?

But where in scripture does it say that abandonment is also a justifier for lawful remarriage? Jesus' only exception in scripture was for the cause of fornication.

Nobody is saying that anybody should stay in an abusive relationship, but we still have to obey scripture and it says that if we put away our spouse and marry another we commit adultery.

And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. - Mark 10:11-12

The words abuse or neglect are nowhere found to be qualifiers to lawfully remarry. Jesus gave only the exception of fornication.

Paul gives us in 1 Corinthians that if we do put away our spouse then we are either to reconcile or remain unmarried. So, if a woman puts away her husband because he is neglectful or abusive then either they reconcile and work it out or remain unmarried.

I believe Paul also says that an unbeliever who does not desire to be with a believer in marriage is free to leave and the believer is free at that point also in regards to the future. One could ceritanly make the case that an unrepentent abuser is not a believer.

[kat8585]

This 'law' of marriage did not change, has not changed...it has been the same since the beginning.

FoC

and I can argue that you are using Old covenant law that is no longer applicable....*

Which is it?

[kat8585]

This 'law' of marriage did not change, has not changed...it has been the same since the beginning.

FoC

and I can argue that you are using Old covenant law that is no longer applicable....*

Which is it?

it is you not paying attention to the actual conversation....

Cute. Not!!! Why don't you explain it to me then, Mr. High and Mighty who says two different things, since I'm so stupid?

[deut31:12]

I don't reject either. They are both the absolutes that were given to us. We are bound by the of marriage until death, but Jesus also said that law can be broken with infidelity.

I can never tell when people are simply being sarcastic or serious

If it is UNTIL DEATH, poster, then it CANNOT be broken by ANYTHING short of death.

You seem to think that 'BOUND BY LAW until DEATH' means something OTHER than what it does.

An interesting point tho, that Ive been trying to make here, and thank you for PROVING that point, btw....is that 'bound by law until death' IS stated as an absolute by Paul.

And yet there IS MORE to the story, isnt there

More data that makes us KNOW that 'BOUND BY LAW UNTIL DEATH' isnt the WHOLE story...thank you again for proving this point

And there is MORE to the story than 'except for fornication'....the point is the very same.

Jesus in NO wise meant to say that we can DIVORCE if our spouse slips and sins with someone else...but we are BOUND to them forever if they only hack off a limb or two.

You have simply not understood what our Lord Jesus was dealing with and what His WHOLE point was.

If there is nothing that can break that bond until death, as per your understanding, then everybody that has been divorced and remarried are still married to their first spouses.

The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly. - John 4:17-18

How can this woman have five husbands? Does she have a harem? No, more than likely she has been married and divorced 5 times.

The way that scripture has it set up is that we leave mother and father to cleave to our spouse to be one flesh. We are bound by the laws of marriage till death do us part, but if my spouse dies cheats on me I have the ability to break that bond to put them away for the infidelity. It is my choice.

It has been made understood correctly that divorce is not a sin. God may hate it, but there is no direct commandment not to divorce. There are many reasons for divorce. One was given in 1 Corinthians 7.

As far as remarriage, if one that has put away their spouse wants to be remarried to anybody else then the only way it is lawful is if I originally had put away my spouse for fornication as per the words of Jesus, "except for the cause of fornication". If I put away my spouse away for any other reason, such as abuse or neglect, and remarry another I commit adultery because I am still bound to my spouse. They are not dead and they were not put away for the cause of fornication.

It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. Matthew 5:31-32

This is NOT a "pet" scripture. There are various scriptures that speak on this subject and at three of them mention that we cannot remarry unless the putting away was for them committing fornication.

You can divorce if you need to, but if my divorce was not for my spouse committing fornication against me or if they are still alive then I am still bound by the law to them.

[Guest Xfollower]

you are asking the wrong question friend , what you should be asking is does God recognize marriages of even the worst of unions & the answer is found in malachi........

Mal 2:13

[deut31:12]

Not if we take PAUL at his word...well, at the word JESUS gave to him.

Paul says we are BOUND BY LAW UNTIL DEATH....not until divorce for adultery.

In all actuality, Jesus does not literally SAY "You can Remarry"...it is assumed based on the exception. it is not stated factually.

So one could argue against your assertion that ANY remarriage is permitted after divorce before the death of the spouse.

According to your understanding, even if someone was married and divorced 5 times they are still bound by the law to each other until they die. So, if I leave my spouse, for fornication, neglect, and/or abuse, and marry another I am still bound by law to them if they are still alive according to your understanding.

The way it was intended is that we are bound to each other by law until death, but if my spouse is cheating on me then I am lawfully able to divorce them and remarry another. Outside of this, if we divorce for any other reason neither of of are lawfully able to remarry others or we commit adultery.

Paul and Jesus' judgments don't cancel each other out. Put in proper perspective they both exist together. This is why Jesus used the word "Except". It is the only exception we have to remarry outside of the death of my spouse. Other than that we are bound until death.

[Smalcald]

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