Is lying ever the right thing to do?

[Vickilynn]

The fact is that it was GOD who protected them, not Rahab,..<snip>

Shalom Bib,

BINGO.

What we have here is a failure to trust G-d and using that to justify willful sin.

We should choose to trust HIM, not our own devices.

[Guest Biblicist]

"Honey, does this dress make me look fat?" Justifiable lie?

Oh, no, Ddavid.....I've never seen you look the way you do right now, in that dress.

[Vickilynn]

"Honey, does this dress make me look fat?" Justifiable lie?

Oh, no, Ddavid.....I've never seen you look the way you do right now, in that dress.

Shalom Bib,

Spot on!! :73_73:

[faith pleases God]

ok, i'm gonna ask a question here.... but please note the REASON i am asking it... also note that i am not condoning lying.

it always seems that in these threads there are some who come across so adamently that they appear to be judgemental and condemning of those who defend lying as a means to save the life of another. i'm sure we'll see that occur frequently as this thread progresses.

so my question is, who here has NEVER been guilty of telling a lie since they have known Christ?

i sit back with my hands firmly pinned by my buttocks

The question is ....is lying ever the right thing to do? This question invites your belief and opinion. Of course beliefs can differ. And the question invites response. It isn't conditional on offering an opinion based on guilt or not. We're not throwing stones.

[Ddavid from NC]

"Honey, does this dress make me look fat?" Justifiable lie?

Oh, no, Ddavid.....I've never seen you look the way you do right now, in that dress.

Shalom Bib,

Spot on!! :73_73:

You have needlessly bruised my ego

[Vickilynn]

ok, i'm gonna ask a question here.... but please note the REASON i am asking it... also note that i am not condoning lying.

it always seems that in these threads there are some who come across so adamently that they appear to be judgemental and condemning of those who defend lying as a means to save the life of another. i'm sure we'll see that occur frequently as this thread progresses.

so my question is, who here has NEVER been guilty of telling a lie since they have known Christ?

i sit back with my hands firmly pinned by my buttocks

The question is ....is lying ever the right thing to do? This question invites your belief. Of course beliefs can differ. And the question ivites response. It isn't conditional on offering an opinion based on guilt. Come on. We're not throwing stones.

Shalom,

AMEN. Let's stick to the OP's question and not throw stones, OK LadyC?

[Vickilynn]

"Honey, does this dress make me look fat?" Justifiable lie?

Oh, no, Ddavid.....I've never seen you look the way you do right now, in that dress.

Shalom Bib,

Spot on!! :73_73:

You have needlessly bruised my ego

Shalom David,

Take it to Jesus!

[faith pleases God]

If Rahab had told the truth......would God still have protected the spies?

Who knows? He did blind the Sodomites. He did transport Philip. Shadrach, Mesach and Abendago may think so. John was put in a vat oil and didn't get burned. With God all things are possible.

[faith pleases God]

Lying to save another life is such an extreme. How many people here have ever had to do that? Most of the time that people lie is in self preservation or to deviate blame.

Did you do that? - no

"Tell them I'm not here" when someone calls or comes over.

Even to cheat, such as on taxes, tests, or to be dishonest about anything, usually for personal gain.

What we need to make sure is that we don't use that extreme example to justify being dishonest of telling any other kind of lie to protect ourselves.

ok, yes, it may very well be an extreme scenario.... but let's take it down a notch. would you lie to protect someone else from harm? not necessarily even physical harm, but from unfair treatment?

i'll admit it. i've lied for the sake of my children many times, by taking the blame for something they did, or to "adjust a time frame" because i knew my husband couldn't always be counted on to be fair. for example, my husband was often so rigid that if they were even so much as 1 minute late coming through that front door, they might get grounded for a month. oh, you bet i lied many times in such circumstances. they were typically very punctual, but my husband was so rigid about it, that being on the front porch saying goodnight to their friend was not good enough... if they didn't have their bodies physically INSIDE the door, they were considered late.

I have to.

[Guest LadyC]

ok, i'm gonna ask a question here.... but please note the REASON i am asking it... also note that i am not condoning lying.

it always seems that in these threads there are some who come across so adamently that they appear to be judgemental and condemning of those who defend lying as a means to save the life of another. i'm sure we'll see that occur frequently as this thread progresses.

so my question is, who here has NEVER been guilty of telling a lie since they have known Christ?

i sit back with my hands firmly pinned by my buttocks

The question is ....is lying ever the right thing to do? This question invites your belief. Of course beliefs can differ. And the question ivites response. It isn't conditional on offering an opinion based on guilt. Come on. We're not throwing stones.

Shalom,

AMEN. Let's stick to the OP's question and not throw stones, OK LadyC?

oh vickilynn, i wasn't trying to throw stones, i was trying to get everyone to be careful how they came across lest others feel like they are getting stoned! i guess i failed miserably.... sorry!