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[other one]

I don't have a problem with serious questions and even serious debates.  Just so long as they do not degrade to the realm of anger, insult, etc., such as many of these Cath/ vs. Prot. issues do.

Much Grace,

~G

It does give some insite to the problems of Ireland. I had always wondered how people could actually go to war and kill each other over religon. I doubt anyone here would to that far, but who knows, if there were not moderators, where some of our discussions would go if we had a lifetime to argue.

Sam

[Tyler]

You metamorphed again! :suspect: :suspect: :oww:

Only Christ Saves

[RGR]

Sorry...I had beans for dinner last night.

[John3;16]

I don't believe I a'm a catholic basher, I once was apart of the " Catholic Church"

I do not dislike catholics, in fact I still have many friends and inlaws that are of that belief system. And I want to say that thier are most likely a number of them who are saved, not by the doctrines of the Roman church, or doctrines of men, but through the gospol, there are a number of catholics who write on these boards and I believe they are searching for the truth, I believe that no religion can save you, only by placing your trust in Jesus and his work on the cross, by which he redeemed us, can you be saved, and I believe that almost all catholics would say they agree with that statement, but..., and this is where the problem arises, how the gift is administered, they make faith a system of proceedures, they place "Saints" between you and God, God only has children, he does not have any who are closer to him, or removed from him, yes it is true that are sins separate use fro God, but if you are a child of God then you have an advocate with the Father, and if you ask for forgeness he is just and faithful to forgive us our sins.

We can boldly enter into the Holy of Holies, another word into the throne of God,

as believers our sins will only affect us through chastisement, through trials, sickness, and even death to some who choose to live and continue in sin, but we cannot lose our salvation, because he (Jesus) paid for all of our sins, but the catholic doctrines teach that you must recieve sacremants, unbloody sacrifice , when we know that without the sheding of blood there is no remision of sins, and after he paid for our sins, he sat down next to the Father, making intercession for our sins, the cross was payment in full, for the whole world, and as many as recieved it, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, God gives freely but man wants to control this dispensation, by placing shackles on those who they seek to control, I turned on the television this morning and it was tuned to the catholic channel, I watched for several minutes as these nuns led by some mother pray over and over again, Hail Mary full of Grace the Lord is with thee, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus, holy Mary mother of God, pray for us sinners now and the hour of our death. There is one meadiator between man and God and that is the Lord Jesus, and God told us to not cease from praying, but also said not to use vain repitions, The catholic doctrine states that the bible is holy, and is the word of God, but they also use the companion to the bible the book of traditions, and doctrines from elders, and councils to interprite all lititure even the bible. example would be the council of trent. Peter would not alow anyone to kneel before him, butyet the Pope allows this, I believe that we should be able to question other faiths and doctrines especially in fourems that are called controversial, only through dialog will we be able to reveal obsticals that hinder those who follow creedes and doctrins of men, believe can have different meanings to different people, and it is written that the devils believe and yet they tremble, what you believe is the key, you con ask a mosulem if he believes in Jesus Christ and he can answer yes, but ask him if Jesus is God's only begotten son, and the redeemer of this world, and the only way to heaven is through him, I doubt if he would agree. There are many religions that will say Jesus is a way, or one way to heaven, but not the only way, should we then say, well as long as you believe in Jesus than you are saved? No! Jesus is the way, He is the narrow gate, broad is the path to destruction, and many who enter in, there is no window left open, there is no second chance, no purgatory where you can pay of your sin debt, I wish that people who are lost could enter in to heaven, but other than Jesus I don't see any other way, least not in my bible. I ask anyone who is trusting in any other way, to search the scriptures, where you spend eternity is held in the balance. should we be silent and be more coscerned with not making waves, or should we question doctrines that leed man away from the truth, that is what we believe to be the truth, and in this great nation we have freedom to express ourselves, no matter what our beliefs are, and I believe that by having a forium like this one, many will come to the Lord as saviour, and many will grow, there are many questions that are answered every day, and the fact that many different responce's appear, the truth can often be gleened, I hope that the moderators don't repress issues just because they are to controversal, because conversation is how we win those who are lost, and edify those who are walking in darkness, or following false doctrines. Yes we should speak the truth in love, but also rember Jesus is the rock of offence, and there will be those who will not recieve sound doctrine, and even that woman who rides upon the beast in rev. who ever she is, God say's the people that are in her that belong to him, come out of her my people, seek and you shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you,

search the scriptures for in them you believe that they life, they are they which testify of me. Glory to God in the highest.

[RGR]

Reckon you might try to put some spaces and paragraphs in there? It'd make it much easier to read-not trying to be nasty!!!

[mobile21]

Reckon you might try to put some spaces and paragraphs in there?  It'd make it much easier to read-not trying to be nasty!!!

I dunno Ronald (McDonald ), he started by saying he is a former catholic so maybe God protected us from reading something harmful in some mysterious way (the way of no spaces) :il:

[Tyler]

I don't believe I a'm a catholic basher, I once was apart of the " Catholic Church"

I do not dislike catholics, in fact I still have many friends and inlaws that are of that belief system. And I want to say that thier are most likely a number of them who are saved, not by the doctrines of the Roman church, or doctrines of men, but through the gospol, there are a number of catholics who write on these boards and I believe they are searching for the truth, I believe that no religion can save you, only by placing your trust in Jesus and his work on the cross, by which he redeemed us, can you be saved, and I believe that almost all catholics would say they agree with that statement, but..., and this is where the problem arises, how the gift is administered, they make faith a system of proceedures, they place "Saints" between you and God, God only has children, he does not have any who are closer to him, or removed from him, yes it is true that are sins separate use fro God, but if you are a child of God then you have an advocate with the Father, and if you ask for forgeness he is just and faithful to forgive us our sins.

We can boldly enter into the Holy of Holies, another word into the throne of God,

as believers our sins will only affect us through chastisement, through trials, sickness, and even death to some who choose to live and continue in sin, but we cannot lose our salvation, because he (Jesus) paid for all of our sins, but the catholic doctrines teach that you must recieve sacremants, unbloody sacrifice , when we know that without the sheding of blood there is no remision of sins, and after he paid for our sins, he sat down next to the Father, making intercession for our sins, the cross was payment in full, for the whole world, and as many as recieved it, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, God gives freely but man wants to control this dispensation, by placing shackles on those who they seek to control, I turned on the television this morning and it was tuned to the catholic channel, I watched for several minutes as these nuns led by some mother pray over and over again, Hail Mary full of Grace the Lord is with thee, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus, holy Mary mother of God, pray for us sinners now and the hour of our death. There is one meadiator between man and God and that is the Lord Jesus, and God told us to not cease from praying, but also said not to use vain repitions, The catholic doctrine states that the bible is holy, and is the word of God, but they also use the companion to the bible the book of traditions, and doctrines from elders, and councils to interprite all lititure even the bible. example would be the council of trent. Peter would not alow anyone to kneel before him, butyet the Pope allows this, I believe that we should be able to question other faiths and doctrines especially in fourems that are called controversial, only through dialog will we be able to reveal obsticals that hinder those who follow creedes and doctrins of men, believe can have different meanings to different people, and it is written that the devils believe and yet they tremble, what you believe is the key, you con ask a mosulem if he believes in Jesus Christ and he can answer yes, but ask him if Jesus is God's only begotten son, and the redeemer of this world, and the only way to heaven is through him, I doubt if he would agree. There are many religions that will say Jesus is a way, or one way to heaven, but not the only way, should we then say, well as long as you believe in Jesus than you are saved? No! Jesus is the way, He is the narrow gate, broad is the path to destruction, and many who enter in, there is no window left open, there is no second chance, no purgatory where you can pay of your sin debt, I wish that people who are lost could enter in to heaven, but other than Jesus I don't see any other way, least not in my bible. I ask anyone who is trusting in any other way, to search the scriptures, where you spend eternity is held in the balance. should we be silent and be more coscerned with not making waves, or should we question doctrines that leed man away from the truth, that is what we believe to be the truth, and in this great nation we have freedom to express ourselves, no matter what our beliefs are, and I believe that by having a forium like this one, many will come to the Lord as saviour, and many will grow, there are many questions that are answered every day, and the fact that many different responce's appear, the truth can often be gleened, I hope that the moderators don't repress issues just because they are to controversal, because conversation is how we win those who are lost, and edify those who are walking in darkness, or following false doctrines. Yes we should speak the truth in love, but also rember Jesus is the rock of offence, and there will be those who will not recieve sound doctrine, and even that woman who rides upon the beast in rev. who ever she is, God say's the people that are in her that belong to him, come out of her my people, seek and you shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you,

search the scriptures for in them you believe that they life, they are they which testify of me. Glory to God in the highest.

Amen! John3:16!!

Puntuations and Paragraphs do not hinder the Word of God!!

God Bless

Tyler

[Douay]

It's funny how everybody on this board is either a Catholic or used to be one. I assume it was a typo when you said you were apart of the Catholic Church, instead of a part of the Catholic Church. I must admit I wasn't able to finish reading your whole post.

yes it is true that are sins separate use fro God, but if you are a child of God then you have an advocate with the Father, and if you ask for forgeness he is just and faithful to forgive us our sins.

We can boldly enter into the Holy of Holies, another word into the throne of God,

as believers our sins will only affect us through chastisement, through trials, sickness, and even death to some who choose to live and continue in sin, but we cannot lose our salvation, because he (Jesus) paid for all of our sins,

So you're telling me that you can demand forgiveness from the Father and then walk in and rub it in his face, yeah, sure, I want some of what you're shovelling.

Oh, so that's how we get around charity as prescribed in the Bible, we say that's just God punishing them, evil sinners, NO! DON'T GIVE HIM ANY FOOD! LET HIM STARVE! Nice philosophies, not too new, but still interesting.

[Douay]

God told us to not cease from praying, but also said not to use vain repitions

Jesus said to say the Our Father, but did he say only once?

If you were going to pray ceasingly as do some Catholic monks, do you think you could go 16 hours without repeating yourself. Oh what was that, I thought I saw something. Ahhh, it was that absurd, derisory, attempt to deride Catholic truth evaporating into thin air.

[Guest LadyC]

It's funny how everybody on this board is either a Catholic or used to be one. 

i am not, nor have i ever been, a catholic. i dated one once, does that count?