abraham's lie about sarah

[irishcowboy]

never really thought about her age before, during these times.....

an older woman...... wow, yea, guess she would have to have really been a looker....

mike

[givennewname]

Btw, this is what amazes me. The first incident, in Gen 12, happens right after the LORD calls Abram to go to the land of Canaan. In verse 4, we are told that Abram is 75 when he leaves Haran to go to Canaan. Sarai was ten years younger, so she would have been 65.

Isn't it amazing that this woman of at least 65 captured the attention of the Pharoah, so that he wanted her for his own?

And then the second incident, in Gen 20, takes place after the LORD changes the couple's names to Abraham and Sarah. (That happened in chapter 17.) At the time of the changing of their names, when the LORD also gave Abraham the covenant of circumcision, Abraham was 99 years old. Therefore, Sarah was 89. The following year, as related in chapter 21, Isaac is born - Abraham being 100 at that time and Sarah 90.

And in between those events (giving of the covenant and birth of Isaac), Abimelech king of Gerar tries to take Sarah for his own to marry her. 89 year old woman! Amazing!

(Sarah must have reeeeeeally been something!)

Did they have plastic surgery at those times?? Well humans did live to very old age in the book of Genesis.. maybe she is just middle age then? Can she recomend her face cream?

[irishcowboy]

Actually, Abraham only lived to 137, and Sarah had already passed, and Abraham took another wife, and she bore 6 children for him.....

so she did not last much after Isaac came to be.

mike

[glorywatch]

Sheya, good point. Ok, darn, now I want to look like Sarah when I am her age...lol

[irishcowboy]

Sheya, good point. Ok, darn, now I want to look like Sarah when I am her age...lol

hehehehehe

now remember, Thou shalt not covet... lol

mike

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[Larry 2]

there are two accounts.... in chapter 12, and again in chapter 20. were these two separate occurences?

Quoting LadyC - Abraham's lie about sarah, once or twice? There are two accounts.... in chapter 12, and again in chapter 20. were these two separate occurrences?

Response by larry2 - Dear Sister LadyC, yes this did occur twice. The first was when God had Abram to leave Haran and travel to Canaan, and then there was a famine in the land so Abram traveled to Egypt.

This is the first occurrence - Abram (later Abraham) was 75 years old (V12:4) and Sarai (later Sarah) was 65 years old at this time (Ref. Gen.17:17) because she was 10 years younger than Abram. Notice that in this first occurrence they were named Abram and Sarai. We will see in the second occurrence that they were named Abraham and Sarah.

In Genesis 12:1. "The LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee."

Genesis 12:4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old (Sara was 65) when he departed out of Haran.

Genesis 12:5. "And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came."

Genesis 12:15. "The princes also of Pharaoh of Egypt saw her (this was their second journey, not the second occurrence), and commended her before Pharaoh: and the woman was taken into Pharaoh's house."

Then in Genesis 13:3 we see Abram return to Bethel (meaning "House of God).

The Second Occurrence -

I must first set forth a promise given to Abram in Genesis 15:5-6. "And he (the Lord) brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. 6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

In Genesis 17:1 we read of Abraham when he is now 99 years old, and the Lord makes a covenant with Abram, and in V5 God changes Abram's name to Abraham. (keep this in mind.) Then in Gen. 17:15 God changes Sarai's name to Sarah.

Genesis 17:4-5. "As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram (exalted father), but thy name shall be Abraham (father of a multitude) ; for a father of many nations have I made thee."

Genesis 17:15. "And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai (princess) thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah (noblewoman) shall her name be.

This all happened prior to the second occurrence of Abraham deceiving someone that was taking his wife from him.

Now we read Genesis 18:1 that the Lord appeared to Abraham, and in Genesis 18:10 promises that He is going to make them young again even though in Verse 11 they were old and stricken in age.

Genesis 18:14. "14 Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son."

Now in Genesis 20:1 we come to Abraham journeying to Gerar. Then in Genesis 20:2 Abraham uses his deception to save his own life from Abimelech, Gerar's king that took Sarah from him. Now if I have it right, Sarah is now chronologically 90 years old and now so beautiful that she is taken from Abraham? They sure made 90 year old women look different in that day. No, again she was returned to the time of life; made young again.

I hope this helped in some degree in Jesus' name - larry2