How Old is the Earth?

[Rerun]

I must be thought a heretic by the new-earthers

I have many Freinds who believe the same As you I just dissagree because it doesn't matter if it's literal or not... No need for me to fret myself.

[salt and light]

Scientific Athiest,

You SOUND like a very intelligent person,but if you are an athiest,you can't be that intelligent. Find a bible and read what the word of God calls a person who says there is no God, it's in Psalms chapter 14 verse 1 in the old testament,and I promise you,it won't hurt you. When Darwin was on his death bed,he was quoted as saying, "what a fool I've been". He admitted he was wrong about evolution. My pastor used to be a scientist,and he has said that carbon-14 dating was not reliable. He said that any HONEST scientist would say that evolution is impossible and DNA proves it. There is a God who made EVERYTHING,and EVERYBODY,and one day you along with everybody else are going to face him. I only hope that you don't realize the foolishness of evolution when it's too late. I think it takes more faith to believe that we and everything in the universe just happened in a series of accidents over so called billions of years,than to believe a creator God made it all. When you go out side and look at a dog or cat or a bunch of pretty flowers,or a beautiful landscape, it doesn't take some great brain to realize that it's no accident. You may think that you have the answers,well, God is past finding out,and his ways are higher than are ways,and only He has the answers. You don't really think that you came from an ape do you, or an amoeba, or from some mud do you? One more thing, evolution is NOT a science,it is just another false religion, concocted of the devil. You need prayed for.

[Rerun]

Scientific Athiest,

You SOUND like a very intelligent person,but if you are an athiest,you can't be that intelligent.

One quick correction I believe mister Nikolia is Intelligent but un-wise.

[salt and light]

Rerun,

ok

[Cerran]

One more thing, evolution is NOT a science,it is just another false religion, concocted of the devil.

Rather than rely on your pastor Salt why not learn a bit about it on your own? The THEORY of evolution is based on scientific obersvations based on hard science. They are theories and the evidence is pretty solid albieit not perfect. It is not a religion and it doesn't even come close to meeting the criteria of a religion. I must admit if everything that people claim on this board comes from the devil did, we'd be in , well you know.

[His son]

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Rather than rely on your pastor Salt why not learn a bit about it on your own? The THEORY of evolution is based on scientific obersvations based on hard science. They are theories and the evidence is pretty solid albieit not perfect. It is not a religion and it doesn't even come close to meeting the criteria of a religion. I must admit if everything that people claim on this board comes from the devil did, we'd be in , well you

This is all mans made up words, and there is no truth in it. God created this universe, and He did it in six days. There is no solid evidence for evolution except in the minds of men who refuse to take God's Word for how He did it.

Salt you hang in there, I would much rather listen to a man of God speaking from The Bible than those who insist on carrying on the lie as confessed to by the man who started it.

[Guest mscoville]

Yod,

You can't deny the use of the 24 hour period known as a day, so you haven't, no the sun was not created at first, only light was, however the days after the sun were made were referred to in the same way as the days prior to. Those days were no different. Hebrew has words for long periods of Time, why not use them. I'll post those same things until they're answered. I see a problem with an old earth, because the Word says it's new. No I don't think you're a heretic, I think you're my Brother, PRAISE GOD!!.

~M

[Russell]

For the atheists on this thread...I have some questions for you.

If you can tell me where consciousness...the ability the think comes from and how it evolved i will join you and become an atheist.

If I believed what you believed... i would have no future...no hope...no answers to why, am i here...a life without meaning in but a speck of time.

So tell me what meaning has your life ...70 or so years... after billions of years of evolution (as you say)...coming from behind you and still in front of you.

The evidence for creation is there if you choose to look for it. I believe in the Biblical account of creation and a new earth...I get this understanding from "Answers in Genesis" ...a group of Christian scientists dedicated to uphold the Biblical account of creation.

I believe in a Creator who has a personnal interest in my life and watches all that I do and has great care for my wellbeing. He loves me and I love Him. I have hope for the future...lots of answers...know why i am here...and have a life full of meaning ...not just now, but for eternity....should i exchange this for your beliefs. :x:

God forbid

Blessings

[kevkeegsdad]

Yod,

You can't deny the use of the 24 hour period known as a day, so you haven't, no the sun was not created at first, only light was, however the days after the sun were made were referred to in the same way as the days prior to. Those days were no different. Hebrew has words for long periods of Time, why not use them. I'll post those same things until they're answered. I see a problem with an old earth, because the Word says it's new. No I don't think you're a heretic, I think you're my Brother, PRAISE GOD!!.

~M

Mscoville, hopefully you will allow me to answer...

At the time of the writing of this part of the Bible there were about 3000 words in the Hebrew language with only three verb tenses...Yod probably can explain them better than I can...

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth...

This is a translation that is slightly off as the Hebrew word is shamayim erets...or more precisely the physical universe...sort of like translating butterfly to be butter and fly.

This then from a scientific point of view would give us the infinite mass points required for a joining of religion and science...the two do not have to be opposed.

When we get to the part about God having made light, because of the verb tenses we have no idea if he made them 5 minutes ago or 5 million years ago according to the word yom.

We don't get a sun or moon...which were always there but not visible due to a heavy atmosphere and the dust cloud of debris between the sun and the newly formed planets...until later.

Also the separation of the waters above and the waters below coupled with the newly shining light on the surface of the planet is required for plant life.

As for the evolutional evidence most of the fossil records display non-vertebrates before a certain time period and then during the Cambrian explosion we get the sudden and dramatic appearance of dozens of phyla types with no transitional fossil evidence as to how they developed.

Sorry, have to run the second part of my screen name is demanding the last part.

Look forward to further talks.

God Bless.

Kevin

[nebula]

I'd like to point out again that Genesis makes no reference to when the land masses (i.e. mountains, canyons) were created.

You'd think that would be an important part to a Creation story, wouldn't you?

"Now the Earth was formless and void, darkness was over the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters."

This occurs before God said, "Let there be light."

Can you explain that without manipulating the text to fit your belief?