Study casts doubt on antidepressant drugs

[Axxman]

WASHINGTON - Antidepressant medications appear to help only very severely depressed people and work no better than placebos in many patients, British researchers said.

Researchers led by Irving Kirsch of the University of Hull reviewed a series of studies, both published and unpublished, on four antidepressants, examining the question of whether a person's response to these drugs hinged on how depressed they were before getting treatment....They are all so-called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs.

"Although patients get better when they take antidepressants, they also get better when they take a placebo, and the difference in improvement is not very great. This means that depressed people can improve without chemical treatments," Kirsch said in a statement.

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I can't post in "Intersesting News" so maybe a mod can move this if this is not an appropriate forum

[nebula]

I'm not surprised.

We're too quick to blame "chemical imbalance" for depression. Everyone I've met with a depression problem (including myself) have low self image, deep hurts from the past, and/or circumstances of that nature.

[patricia1]

you back again...hahah for every one article you find I can find another to oppose. There are many different types of depression caused by many different things.

Situational depression gets better without medication and if certain diet changes occur it helps also. It does not mean it is true in all cases.

Tell that to a family who a 16 yr old decided not to take his medication cos he listens to you and then jumps off a 10 story building.

or he had felt better on the medication so he decided to go off of the medication and see what happens and now they are dead. Go preach the word sweety, you will help save the soul...

[Ddavid from NC]

Has anybody involved in this discussion ever heard of Dr. John Rosemond, (syndicated columnist) he does a lot of work with parenting and family psychology. He was on a radio talk show and has some pretty amazing things to say about modern psychiatry and pycho therapy. He was on the mid-day talkshow on the American family Radio Network. They archive those shows. But, he talked about midway throught the hour interview about chemical imbalances and medicinal treatments.

[Rick-Parker]

You need to quit your job at the mental health facility and do something else. You must treat your patients with great contempt. If your boss knew what you were saying, they would fire you. I sure would. Take your judgmental attitude somewhere else!

You really are an offensive person. Lord forgive me for what I feel right now. Amen.

[Axxman]

You need to quit your job at the mental health facility and do something else. You must treat your patients with great contempt. If your boss knew what you were saying, they would fire you. I sure would. Take your judgmental attitude somewhere else!

You really are an offensive person. Lord forgive me for what I feel right now. Amen.

Rick,

I'm sorry that this upsets you. It is NOT my intent to upset anybody. There are a few things you should know about me...if you'll take the time.

I do NOT have patients, the doctors I work with have patients. At my work I am known as the "care-bear" who gives out more hugs and encouragement than is sometimes necessary. My bosses know exactly how I feel, and so do the doctors. I have NO problems with them at work because I know my place and I don't overstep my bounds. We don't agree on politics and religion either but we still work well together. I have not ONE TIME passed judgement on you, or any other patient of a psychiatrist who takes drugs. I feel for you and the mental and physical pain you feel on a daily basis, I pray that God grants you comfort and grace.

The only judgement that I have passed is on the psychiatric and pharmaceutical industries. As the article I posted points out...the tests that were reviewed for SSRI's shows that they have little or no effect and YET the pharmaceutical industry still put them out there and charged patients (via insurance) astronomical amounts of money for a drug that would have worked as well as a jelly bean.

[MorningGlory]

You need to quit your job at the mental health facility and do something else. You must treat your patients with great contempt. If your boss knew what you were saying, they would fire you. I sure would. Take your judgmental attitude somewhere else!

You really are an offensive person. Lord forgive me for what I feel right now. Amen.

Why attack someone for posting an article of general interest, BP? I'm sure Axxman didn't write it.

[Axxman]

you back again...hahah for every one article you find I can find another to oppose. There are many different types of depression caused by many different things.

Situational depression gets better without medication and if certain diet changes occur it helps also. It does not mean it is true in all cases.

Tell that to a family who a 16 yr old decided not to take his medication cos he listens to you and then jumps off a 10 story building.

or he had felt better on the medication so he decided to go off of the medication and see what happens and now they are dead. Go preach the word sweety, you will help save the soul...

Hey Patricia...I didn't know I had left

True there are plenty of articles. What makes this one important is that they reviewed the studies done on SSRI's. This is NOT new info...this is suppressed info. Those studies indicated that placebos work just as well and yet the drugs were allowed anyways. Now, we have people all over convinced that the drugs work...and as usual, there is no proof of it.

About the 16 yr old... First you'd have to prove that he jumped because he was off the medicine. Since SSRI's can cause depression, and that studies are mounting each day concerning the connection of people who commit suicide and take SSRI's...I'd say we'll never know why the kid jumped. Suicides (and attempts) happen often in my line of work, and I can tell you with 100% confidence that MOST of them are treated medically by psychiatrists.

Of course, people feel better on the medication. That doesn't make it right. As I've stated in the past...its a Skinner box for drugs.

[Rick-Parker]

Some people are frauds. I'm not naming names. And why did I "attack" Axxman? Because although he did not use his own words, when compared with the entirety of his other posts on mental health treatment, they could very well have been. It causes sorrow and is hurtful to attack something or someone who is vulnerable and already predisposed to act on impulse. I can most assuredly state that if Axxman's bosses actually saw what he spews on this forum, he would not be permitted to have contact with patients. Do you think those patients can't feel the contempt? They most certainly can. I'm sorry if you can't understand or appreciate the nature of Axxman, but it is quite apparent to me. I'm not judging him, I am judging his nature. That's all I have to say and I will never respond to this man in any topic! I am disgusted

[Axxman]

This is what I command you: Love each other as I have loved you.

john 15:12

From the TOS: Debate the subject, not the person. It is possible to disagree about a doctrine or subject under discussion without insulting the person with whom you are debating.