Detroit Muslims Want Call to Prayer

[Guest LCPGUY]

Cool!!!

I thought it had something to do with audio

Bro John

[Guest LCPGUY]

And I say to you to John, it is the same GOD!

Its the same God that blessed Ishmael in Genesis 17:20. That is the same God I pray too...you too?....

now, brothers in Christ, let me turn my cheek so you may hit the other side....

Dear Senerhu,

I have no desire to hit you again.

But realize this,

The God of the Bible has nothing to do with Muslims. They have their own religion, their own God. Nothing to do with the Bible or Ishmael or anything therein.

Muslims have NO CONNECTION to the Bible. Islam is a FALSE RELIGION founded in or around the 5th century.

As great a brother as you are, If you believe this Islam garbage, you deserved those pies.

Hey though, doesn't mean I don't love yee!

You just need a whole lot of correction on this particular issue.

Bro John

[Guest faithless]

Sorry I came in late, but this is in response to the second post in the thread:

It's extremely invasive and part of their "indoctrination" attempts to mindwash people into becoming disciples of their vile religion.

First off, how can you say their religion is vile? All religions are essentially the same, they all basically say that if you lead a good life you will be rewarded in the afterlife. What makes one more vile than another?

Second, isn't that that exactly what missionaries try to do? Brainwash other people into believing their religion?

[Guest yod]

All religions are the same...it's basically guilt with different holidays. - Fran Drescher

I have heard that many times and I understand how someone could come to that conclusion looking at it from the outside.

But there is ONE huge difference! Biblical judaism (christianity) teaches that we are all sinners and not even one person is righteous enough to enter God's presence. How is this reconciled?

By the Lord Himself paying the price for our sin. By His grace covering our filthy rags. All other religions make it our responsibility to obey a set of rules and regulations. Admittedly, there are christians out there who still think that also....

But that is not what the Bible teaches. Have you ever tried reading Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John?

I'd be happy to send a Bible so you can go right to the source instead of having to judge who has the right "opinion"

[Guest yod]

RE: missionaries.

I have been on short term missions a few times. We went to serve. No brainwashing at all.

In Romania, we had 3 doctors and 18 nurses who saw over 600 patients in 7 days. We didn't require anything of them...but we would pray with them and give them a bible in their language.

In Mexico, we built a church with our own funds and labor.

In Dallas....we sang praises to the Lord in front of the bars. No one was stopped by us...they gathered around and we spoke only to those who asked questions.

Islam will chop off your head if you don't convert in most nations where they run things. Can you see a difference yet?

[Guest shadow2b]

-If I had a pic of a pie in the face, I think I would throw it at ya right about now!- :oww:  Or maybe I'll just pull your ear off! -  

-ahemmmm--may I offer that-or perhapsennythang fer a frenn--ya know??

[Guest faithless]

But there is ONE huge difference! Biblical judaism (christianity) teaches that we are all sinners and not even one person is righteous enough to enter God's presence. How is this reconciled?

There are small differences (and I consider this a minor difference). In essence, all religions (or most) promise eternal happiness in the after life in exchange for whichever deeds that particular religion dictates you must do while on earth. I don't understand how one is worse than the other.

I have been on short term missions a few times. We went to serve. No brainwashing at all.

Technically those muslims described in the opening post aren't brainwashing anyone, either.

Islam will chop off your head if you don't convert in most nations where they run things. Can you see a difference yet?

There's a few things to say here:

1. No where in the Islamic religion does it force people to adhere to their beliefs via the use of threat. Those who do so are following a perverted version of the religion. Or are you saying that fanatics like Osama bin Laden represent Islam?

What you said right would be like equating nuclear expansion with Marxist Communism. Marx never said anything about nuclear weapons (they weren't even invented during his lifetime), and yet, nuclear expansion became one of the founding principles of Stalinist Communism. Stalinism was a perversion of Marxism, and because of that you can't what some of his followers did after the fact to what his ideology stood for.

The same thing applies for Islam.

2. You don't think Christians have ever forced others to adhere by their beliefs? Do the Crusades ring a bell?

Does that make Christianity evil?

[Guest yod]

1. No where in the Islamic religion does it force people to adhere to their beliefs via the use of threat. Those who do so are following a perverted version of the religion. Or are you saying that fanatics like Osama bin Laden represent Islam?

THe only short list would be the nations were it WAS NOT forced upon the population.

2. You don't think Christians have ever forced others to adhere by their beliefs? Do the Crusades ring a bell?

Does that make Christianity evil?

Even the Crusades were a response to Islamic invasion of Europe. Did they go too far? Yes but I don't hear many christians justifying their atrocities in the name of God.

how many Imams have you heard speaking against the oppressive regimes of Islam? Which Islamic regimes are not oppressive dictatorships?

Make a list and compare the two.

[Guest faithless]

THe only short list would be the nations were it WAS NOT forced upon the population.

Again, oppressive regimes following a perverted version of the actual religion are not equal to the actual religion.

How often in history do you think Christian nations (mostly in Europe) forced its members submit to Christianity?

Heck, perhaps the greatest mind in the history of the world, Galileo, was placed under house arrest for the rest of his life simply because he supported Copernicus' heliocentric view of the universe.

Yes but I don't hear many christians justifying their atrocities in the name of God.

I don't hear too many Muslims praising OBL for 9/11 here in the States.

The only supporters of OBL I know are in the middle east, and most of them are only following him because they fear for their lives and are afraid that if they went against the flow, that they would be killed.

[Guest LCPGUY]

Is this not the same God we worship who said this?

Genesis 17

20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.

Please clue me in, I didn't realize there was another?

Senerhu,

I think you will find that those people you are referring to are Bedouins, Samaritans, some Arabians, etc. And you are correct that they worshiped the same God as did the Jews. But they were not Muslim. Islam was invented hundreds and hundreds of years later with a new god called Allah. He originated from the pagan moon god. Thus the crescent moon on the mosques.

Compare the attributes of Allah to the one true God. You will quickly see they are distinctly different.

Lastly, don't fret about the pie. I get 'em from time to time myself and usually from good buds or budettes. It's nothing to take seriously. It's well, like disagreeing with you in a fun manner

Bro John