patricia1 Posted March 13, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,858 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/23/1957 Share Posted March 13, 2008 A christian to me is one who follows Jesus in relationship to the father, the Holy Spirit and the Word of God. Not the indoctrination of any organization although certain doctrine within a church to keep order is necessary. It depends on what one chooses to succumb to besides The Holy Spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadams_4040 Posted March 13, 2008 Group: Nonbeliever Followers: 0 Topic Count: 0 Topics Per Day: 0 Content Count: 52 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/05/2008 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/17/1953 Share Posted March 13, 2008 A christian to me is one who follows Jesus in relationship to the father, the Holy Spirit and the Word of God. Not the indoctrination of any organization although certain doctrine within a church to keep order is necessary. It depends on what one chooses to succumb to besides The Holy Spirit. But as i stated, does this not invalidate the lords direction on one faith, one baptism,one God? I to beleive what you say but i also beleive the lord told us that we need to be in unity together in one beleife of doctrine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Dannyboy Posted March 13, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 156 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 3,454 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 4 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/22/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/02/1969 Share Posted March 13, 2008 The flow of this thread has been very inspirational. One would think, at first glance, that Christianity had split at the seams by the divisions resulting from differences in doctrines. Lets assume for a moment that these differences serve a purpose, knowing that each of us, relative to our doctrine, serves a different purpose in the body. Perhaps then, so too do the different denominations each serve a unique role in the body. Proverbs 27:17 Iron sharpens iron, So one man sharpens another We should understand that as we sharpen one another there is friction and even sparks. The friction is an integral part of sharpening and so we must not fear it, but expect it. How else can we grow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patricia1 Posted March 13, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 44 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,858 Content Per Day: 0.30 Reputation: 9 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/24/2007 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/23/1957 Share Posted March 13, 2008 we all have different perferences, one God, Jesus , and Holy Spirit is the common thread holding it together in Love as well. The twelve apostles were all different and had different calls and Jesus had them in different places. The ingathering will happen soon enough. We should love all for christ loves all and died for all but not ebrace any doctrine of faith outside of the Gospel of truth. But it should also be love that we will want to minister truth to someone who has not walked in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick-Parker Posted March 13, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.22 Content Count: 4,274 Content Per Day: 4.79 Reputation: 1,856 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/17/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/03/1955 Share Posted March 13, 2008 I believe that the Bible is 100% true; the Bible is what I believe. If something doesn't line up with the Bible, it's not what I believe. Is that convoluted enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick-Parker Posted March 13, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 200 Topics Per Day: 0.22 Content Count: 4,274 Content Per Day: 4.79 Reputation: 1,856 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/17/2021 Status: Offline Birthday: 06/03/1955 Share Posted March 13, 2008 Nope sorry that is side stepping the question. Lets put it this way. You have two people both very devoted to Christ. They both read the Bible and both are very well educated and diligent people. Yet they come to very opposite conclusions of the same scripture even after much prayerful searching. Now Both claim they are being led by the Holy Spirit. Both have the exact same scripture. The Holy spirit did NOT lead one to one truth and the other to a different truth. NOW WHAT? One of them is being deceived. One of them is believing in a lie. One of them is being influenced by satan. Should we not care to know which one WE are. I think it is a question we should concern ourselves with. God Bless, K.D. If they both end up in the same place, than both are correct. I know that this may sound stupid or overly simple, but if both are on the narrow path, but out of step with each other, are they not still on the same path? Are they not both saved? The Bible is simple, it is us that makes it so difficult and complex. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard_yaash Posted March 14, 2008 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 940 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/10/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted March 14, 2008 If they both end up in the same place, than both are correct. I know that this may sound stupid or overly simple, but if both are on the narrow path, but out of step with each other, are they not still on the same path? Are they not both saved? The Bible is simple, it is us that makes it so difficult and complex. IMO Well spoken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artsylady Posted March 14, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 171 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,813 Content Per Day: 0.64 Reputation: 150 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/26/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 14, 2008 Hello and welcome. I have asked this of a few Catholics and no one has really been able to answer. Maybe you can. If the wine and bread served at communion actually turns into the body of Christ, at what point does this happen? In the mouth? In the stomach, the intestines, where? If this is true, why don't medical examiners find the remains of a human when conducting autopsies. If this is true, scientists could discover the dna of Jesus. If this is true, there would have been many reports of cannibalism in the autopsy reports over the many years. Why hasn't this happened and why doesn't it happen regularly? We believe the Bible speaks both in metaphorical and literal language. Body of Christ is symbolic, like lamb of God. Jesus wasn't really a lamb, as you know. "lion of Judah, light of the world, rock" - the Bible is full of metaphors and similies. Do you agree with that there are many metaphors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerioke Posted March 14, 2008 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 97 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,850 Content Per Day: 0.83 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/19/2005 Status: Offline Birthday: 08/11/1911 Share Posted March 14, 2008 In the end, God decides who is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pamiam Posted March 14, 2008 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 188 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 3 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/29/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted March 14, 2008 Back a few posts, Shiloh's comments are worth reading a few times. Wisdom and compassion well said. Years ago we attended Greg Laurie's church in Riverside, CA, and I remember his saying that it was fine to leave for a smaller church, if that was where God was leading. Chuck Smith Jr. said the same thing when I said we were headed to Saddleback. I met some wonderful Spirit-led Catholics when I was in graduate school. Guess what? God is simply everywhere when hearts are seeking him. A few years ago we were trying to figure out where we wanted to live during the summer and met Christians in enough places that I got confused. I thought maybe this one was a sign that we should buy there, and then I had another "Christian" thing happen in another place, finally got it that God was just with us wherever we were and would prosper us wherever we landed. As Shiloh said, always learning, unlearning, relearning is a broader perspective. I was a Catholic until I married, so I know there is great deference to authority and hierarchy within the Catholic Church, not necessarily a bad thing. Transsubstantiation shouldn't be an issue, really. Do you think God will bar the gates of the kingdom because of that belief, which really doesn't make sense to me either. Back to the original post: I don't think it's valuable to discuss statistics too much, the apparent basis of the argument, when I think it is more about an emotional response to the judgment felt that has been imposed by a small and perceived as arrogant group who claims a handle on the Truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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