Was Jerusalem Mystery Babylon?

December 15, 2004

that's kinda weird.

so every city is babylon?

December 16, 2004

that's kinda weird.

so every city is babylon?

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are you seriously fishing yod ?

i recall a similar contribution made several posts back...

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[civitas]= city -> civilization

yes, in a way, any city has characteristics of the 'Babylon'

all mans endeavors; 'city' being the microcosm of the macrocosm 'civilization'

(since we are addressing the Harlot, Mystery Babylon sitting atop the Beast)

The woman, which you seen, is also that great city which has seduced all the kings of the earth.

Making the Infamous Babylon linked with the end-times Harlot-on-Beast

has several connections->

*a godless culture misusing physics& knowledge and 'pledging' to attain godly status, the ziggeraut being the symbol- Then by creating the MysteryAstrology of man, which is a preverted form of the DivineAstronomy --

The Mystery Cult, enduring thru Sumer,Chaldean, and climaxing with Babylon

*recall Nebuchadnezzars dream interpeted thru Daniel? A statue symbolizing the whole history of mans' civilizations/empires <head of gold- (Babylonian)

and the final morphic parts; feet & 10 toes, of iron & clay...(in part Babylonian)

->thus the cycle-circle is complete...Tsadi?

->this mystical weave would also satisify the Kabbalist?

*recall, that the end-time Abomination of Desolation (theologians hold that this

is a STATUE of the antichrist put in the Jewish Temple)

see the connection? Nebuchadnezzars' dream Statue/ Antichrists ImageStatue

(again we have the First-Last cycle/loop of Biblical/Jewish-Christian-Islamic history)

i'm afraid i'm not a writer ...but in my eyes the MysteryBabylon Harlot, who is also a city........sitting upon a Beast with 7 heads, which are also 7 kings, which are also

7 hills, which is [what/where] the city that the Harlot sits on....

between the last post and this one, do you see the symmetry, complexity & yet simplicity involved?

-peace-

December 16, 2004

between the last post and this one, do you see the symmetry, complexity & yet simplicity involved?

I can't even figure out what you are saying!?

So every city is Babylon?

December 17, 2004

between the last post and this one, do you see the symmetry, complexity & yet simplicity involved?

I can't even figure out what you are saying!?

So every city is Babylon?

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no, but any city .... is like Babylon

but in the scripture, the former Babylon is used as an example

review Rev 17:18

the multiple 'meanings' of the woman sitting upon beast include the identifier

...is also that city...

but enough of that, investigate if you like- or discard if you like...

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an 'unfolding', appears to be? occurring...stemming from identifing the

'woman sitting atop the beast',

the 'woman' also symbolizing a 'city'...

also the 'woman' having a Logo on her forehead 'Mystery Babylon'

(which seems to point to the city & tower of Babylon in Mesopotamia(Iraq)

....not to Jerusalem(Israel)..)

[[then the linking of book of Daniel with the book of Revelations]]

...HOW SO?...the end-time Harlot sitting atop the beast

the Harlot is connected with far earlier Babylon & its' cultist-mystery civilization

in which Daniel lived as a captive...but did not partake in its godlessness...

Daniel, it is known the book has some portions 'sealed' until the end-times.

i might suggest, in view that 'a bible code' appears to exist,

that both Revelation and Daniel texts be overlayed each other,

then as a reference point in 'positioning' these two texts, one may

'synchronize' the words Mystery Babylon in REV. with the words

Nebuchadnezzers' Babylon in DAN.

perhaps there's a connection between the Image of world-empires of DAN

and the image of the A.C.[abomination of desolation]in REV

Another phrase might be the 2 symbolic images of the final era

in DAN= it was a statue of a person, & having 10 toes of iron/clay mix

in REV=it was a harlot atop a beast with 7 heads, 10 horns

Let studied scholars debate or inspire on how to align the texts of these

two prophetic books which are either sealed or hidden from discernment---

until the end-times as stated in the scriptures

I suggest somehow will blend the texts of DAN & REV

into a single combined pattern from which to engage the SkipLetterSequence

models of bible-code....particular attention to the mathematical references

that are very pronounced in DAN. perhaps 70 for 70th week or maybe

1335 days or the 1260 days or the 42 months or the 2520 days or 1290 days

well, ridicule me or diss the unpolished idea presented....at least its out there

for inspection....i;ve learned long ago---one doesn't undertake a Michaelanglo

creation, one begins with a single stroke or single chip,,,the Michaelangelo then

may reveal itself (in time, after a goodly effort)

+ + +

afterword; the woman/harlot(also city) cannot be Jerusalem- as Jerusalem is

the 'navel of earth' ...therefore cannot be a woman sitting atop the beast.

adieu?

December 17, 2004

perhaps there's a connection between the Image of world-empires of DAN
and the image of the A.C.[abomination of desolation]in REV

Another phrase might be the 2 symbolic images of the final era
in DAN= it was a statue of a person, & having 10 toes of iron/clay mix
in REV=it was a harlot atop a beast with 7 heads, 10 horns

yeah, I think that is a safe assumption...not necessarily so....but as likely as anyone else's opinion until proven otherwise. Honestly, I don't care because I'll know when I need to know.

But if it can be *any* city then what is the point of God telling us how many mountains she sits on? What is the point of mentioning it at all?

And if this is all to be interpreted "spiritually" and apart from other verses in which the Prophets speak in a more literal fashion about these same events, then ANYONE can make it fit ANY scenario they want.

June 28, 2005

This thread is rather old but since it began with an entire article lifted without permission from my website, posted without my permission (which is illegal BTW - that's what the

Edited June 28, 2005 by SoulDevice

Trust & Obey · July 3, 2005

This thread is rather old but since it began with an entire article lifted without permission from my website, posted without my permission (which is illegal BTW - that's what the

mrs · July 4, 2005

Has anyone ever read Dave Hunt's view on who the woman on the beast is?

halifaxchristian · July 21, 2005

Yes I have...and I agree fully and wholly. Dave Hunt preaches the truth about the Roman Catholic Church. The Roman Catholic Church is WITHOUT QUESTION the Whore of Babylon. What is sad, is that so many protestants/Christians no longer know this because of the RCC's post-World War Two ecumenical stance. The jesuit secret orders have infiltrated our media and political policies and education systems. They have brainwashed our society into forgetting, ignoring, and distorting the truths of Rome and her history and present goals and ambitions. I am a former catholic and have come to know the evils of this entity. I have no doubt that anyone who is sincere in knowing Christ will know that the Antichrist will be her child. All of the reformers said it...and some reformers are still alive today.

God bless.

Edited July 21, 2005 by halifaxchristian

fenwar · July 22, 2005

Hi everyone, I'm a bit of a latecomer to this thread but thought I'd throw in my tuppence...

At the time John was writing, Jerusalem was the most likely candidate as the city in which "the blood of prophets and of saints" was shed; compare Matthew 23's "from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Barachiah".

I do believe there are aspects of Rome in this prophecy as well - "the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated" is surely a reference to the "seven hills" of Rome.

Of course Jesus' death was at the hands of both the Jewish leaders and the Roman government, which helps to make sense of the overlap. By "Jerusalem" we don't mean the geographical city of Jerusalem but the regime there which killed Jesus and many of his followers (e.g. Stephen, James the brother of John).

In a similar way many of the end-time prophecies that refer to "Jerusalem" don't necessarily mean the same geographical Jerusalem or even that same regime - it seems more likely that many of these look forward to the "spiritual Israel" which includes people from every nation, tribe and language and has little to do with geography.

In the passages of Revelation we are discussing, John is simply describing the picture that persecuted Christians see - the regime flourishing and and the righteous being killed - and reassuring them that God has the last word. To be honest, societies such as the "Babylon" of Revelation 18 have always existed and always will - and while they may not fall so dramatically as we perceive it, in God's sight they are found guilty and brushed aside in an instant.

While I disagree with much of what Brad has said subsequently, I definitely concur that Jerusalem is part of the picture in John's layered description of "Babylon".

(I particularly disagree with the New Covenant beginning with the destruction of the temple; surely the New Covenant was established with Jesus' sacrifice on the cross, which is the view presented in Hebrews and elsewhere. I also disagree with the view presented that Jesus will not return to the earth; I believe this is an error and that Christ's return will see him reign forever on the new earth.)

But I can't see how you say things already happened which are still prophecy. There is no peace around us---these days are the beginning of the tribulation days.

There hasn't been a day of peace on this planet in the 2,000 years since Christ spoke of earthquakes, famines, wars and rumours of wars. In fact they were going on since long before he came. These apocalyptic passages aren't about a specific set of events in the future - they're about how God sees the cycle of human history and about how we as his people are to respond to them: by being the good and faithful servants who continue to do the work he gave us - to preach the gospel to all nations.

Perhaps Brad doesn't realize that something like a flaming mountain which falls from the heavens and blocking out the sun's light and turning the moon as red as blood hasn't exactly happened.....yet.

But perhaps this is a poetic description emphasising the magnitude and severity of the final judgement for everyone. For those who have rejected God it is as though the sun's light will have been blocked out. This doesn't have to have actually happened in the past for the old Jerusalem to be part of this picture of "Babylon".

What I mean is that all these prophecies of judgement are yet to be fulfilled; the fall of Jerusalem and the collapse of the Roman empire were not literally the judgements described in this passage. This is talking about God's verdict, which has already been passed but will not be carried out until Christ's return. Remember that the dead will rise to face this final judgement. It is still to come, for those who slaughtered the prophets just as much as for anyone who persecutes Christians today - and even for us!

Just as all sin was defeated on the cross, so all sin will be judged and destroyed at Christ's return. These regimes may be no more, but they are yet to be judged.

I hope that makes sense to everyone

-Fenwar

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