Miraculous Gifts

[Guest man]

Maybe we just don't have enough faith to do miracles.

Matthew 17

19 Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said,

[Guest man]

Here is a question. In scripture are there examples of non-believers being used by the Holy Spirit to show some of these things?

Luke 17

11 Now it happened as He went to Jerusalem that He passed through the midst of Samaria and Galilee.

12 Then as He entered a certain village, there met Him ten men who were lepers, who stood afar off.

13 And they lifted up their voices and said,

[Guest man]

Maybe we just don't have enough faith to do miracles.

Matthew 9

27 When Jesus departed from there, two blind men followed Him, crying out and saying,

[Axxman]

A cursory look at Christian history will show that tongues and prophecy did cease between 100-200 AD. The scriptures teach us that in the End Times there will be a pouring out of the gifts of the spirit. SO the question becomes two-fold. Is the pentacostal movement (that began in 1875-1900) a legitimate return of those gifts? If so...are the End Times covering a period 130+ years?

I personally DON'T KNOW. However, I still in my life have not seen a need for those gifts (or several others) to re-emerge. I tend to believe that the pentacostal movement was not of God, based on the history of its origins, and therefore is not a legitimate return of those gifts. I choose not to judge those who need these types of signs and wonders in their lives as I believe that God can use it to His glory....however, I do not believe in them, nor does my spiritual life require them.

If it is not clear I voted....Semi-Continualist / Cautious Continualist

[Guest]

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:

and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life;

but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 3:35-36

The End Times?

Is It Possible That The End Times Started The Day Our Lord Ascended To The Throne?

When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. Acts 1:6-11

Or On That Day Of Pentecost?

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. Acts 2:1-4

Should We Look Up Today?

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. 2 Peter 3:10-13

And Sing With Joy To Our Love

And Dance With Sure Hope

For Our LORD Comes

Maranatha!

Hallelujah!

Hosanna!

Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:

The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27

Love, Your Brother Joe

[7thseal]

Is It Possible That The End Times Started The Day Our Lord Ascended To The Throne?

Or On That Day Of Pentecost?

Hallelujah!

[Axxman]

Is It Possible That The End Times Started The Day Our Lord Ascended To The Throne?

Or On That Day Of Pentecost?

I have a hard time believing that we are living in the "End Times" right now...lol. Let alone that we've been left in some kind of holding cycle for say 2000+ years. Besides...if the end times truly began at either of those times then why did tongues cease to exist for nearly 1900 yrs? If the day of Pentecost was truly an outpouring of the Holy Spirit in connection to the "end times" then they wouldn't have disappeared for the majority of that timeframe. The question really needs to be narrowed down to the last 125yrs. because thats when these "gifts" became commonplace again. Again, these may truly be the end times, and we may be experiencing an outpouring of those gifts in association with the last days. I personally am not certain that is the case.

[7thseal]

Is It Possible That The End Times Started The Day Our Lord Ascended To The Throne?

Or On That Day Of Pentecost?

I have a hard time believing that we are living in the "End Times" right now...lol.

The 'end times' are somewhere in between Jesus ascending and returning...you and I are somewhere in between this time period.

[OneLight]

A cursory look at Christian history will show that tongues and prophecy did cease between 100-200 AD. The scriptures teach us that in the End Times there will be a pouring out of the gifts of the spirit. SO the question becomes two-fold. Is the pentacostal movement (that began in 1875-1900) a legitimate return of those gifts? If so...are the End Times covering a period 130+ years?

I personally DON'T KNOW. However, I still in my life have not seen a need for those gifts (or several others) to re-emerge. I tend to believe that the pentacostal movement was not of God, based on the history of its origins, and therefore is not a legitimate return of those gifts. I choose not to judge those who need these types of signs and wonders in their lives as I believe that God can use it to His glory....however, I do not believe in them, nor does my spiritual life require them.

If it is not clear I voted....Semi-Continualist / Cautious Continualist

Never heard that tongues ceased around 100-200 AD. Where did you get that from? Seriously asking ..

[stacey c]

A cursory look at Christian history will show that tongues and prophecy did cease between 100-200 AD. The scriptures teach us that in the End Times there will be a pouring out of the gifts of the spirit. SO the question becomes two-fold. Is the pentacostal movement (that began in 1875-1900) a legitimate return of those gifts? If so...are the End Times covering a period 130+ years?

I personally DON'T KNOW. However, I still in my life have not seen a need for those gifts (or several others) to re-emerge. I tend to believe that the pentacostal movement was not of God, based on the history of its origins, and therefore is not a legitimate return of those gifts. I choose not to judge those who need these types of signs and wonders in their lives as I believe that God can use it to His glory....however, I do not believe in them, nor does my spiritual life require them.

If it is not clear I voted....Semi-Continualist / Cautious Continualist

Never heard that tongues ceased around 100-200 AD. Where did you get that from? Seriously asking ..

That's a real good question OneLight, as I would like to know also. I for one would be very careful saying something is not of God without concrete proof that it does not line up with the Word of God. And for one to say they don't need them it's very easy if they never truly expeirenced it. For those of us who do believe in it and God uses these gifts in our lives we know how they work in our spirit to build up our faith and relationship with God. And yes there are those who would abuse these gifts and are charltans that is why the GIFT of Desernment is one of the most important gifts a christian can posses. Axxman, have you ever expeirenced in your life, that a person or sitiuation just wasn't right somehow, you didn't have proof but just a gut feeling it was not as it should be, and then later on found out you were right? That's discerment.