Astral Projection - Is it wrong?

[sweetycakes]

New Age is not worshiping Satan. It is worshiping the "god" within you.

...Which is Satanic (of Satan).

Agreed.

[OneLight]

New Age is not worshiping Satan. It is worshiping the "god" within you.

...Which is Satanic (of Satan).

It is from the same source, Satan, but it is not worshiping Satan as Satanic Cults do. New Age is a lot more slicker then that. It hides well within their reasoning of the scriptures and even uses scripture to back their claims. Let's not mix the two together as if they worship in the same manner. New Age is beginning to show itself inside the church more and more and, because they use scripture, is harder to pick up on. They do not hold up a huge sign to be recognized. Be careful mixing the two.

[OneLight]

Hmm... a lot of good feedback

What I don't understand is WHY it's considered demonic/satanic. I mean, it's not like you're "calling on a foreign power" to experience this. Again, I can't recall ANYWHERE in the bible that speaks on this topic, but I could be wrong.

Isn't it just taking advantage of a capability you already have but haven't "excercised"? (like say, parcour for example, the art of being able to perform all kinds of Matrix-like unbeliavble jumps, leaps, vaults etc...

I'll talk to my parents and see what they have to say, since they were teens during the 60/70s they probably know something about it.

As for lucid dreaming, well I'd had that happen "naturally" several times and enjoyed it so much I started training myself to do it whenever I wanted. Can't see what's wrong with that.

Astro Projection is considered a New Age technique, even though it has been practiced for centuries. Lucid dreaming is also being brought out more through New Age techniques. Neither are new, but they are being revived today. Lucid dreaming is also part of dream interpretations through New age, even though not a major part. They both lead you away from God and more into the "self", or self awareness that is prevalent in New Age beliefs. Think of it this way, if this was of God, then He would of mentioned it to us in His word and instructed us to practice it. What ever takes our focus of God is not good for us, period.

[Guest man]

Hmm... a lot of good feedback

What I don't understand is WHY it's considered demonic/satanic. I mean, it's not like you're "calling on a foreign power" to experience this. Again, I can't recall ANYWHERE in the bible that speaks on this topic, but I could be wrong.

Isn't it just taking advantage of a capability you already have but haven't "excercised"? (like say, parcour for example, the art of being able to perform all kinds of Matrix-like unbeliavble jumps, leaps, vaults etc...

I'll talk to my parents and see what they have to say, since they were teens during the 60/70s they probably know something about it.

As for lucid dreaming, well I'd had that happen "naturally" several times and enjoyed it so much I started training myself to do it whenever I wanted. Can't see what's wrong with that.

Astro Projection is considered a New Age technique, even though it has been practiced for centuries. Lucid dreaming is also being brought out more through New Age techniques. Neither are new, but they are being revived today. Lucid dreaming is also part of dream interpretations through New age, even though not a major part. They both lead you away from God and more into the "self", or self awareness that is prevalent in New Age beliefs. Think of it this way, if this was of God, then He would of mentioned it to us in His word and instructed us to practice it. What ever takes our focus of God is not good for us, period.

Could you define "Lucid Dreaming".

What exactlly is a lucid dream?

[nebula]

Could you define "Lucid Dreaming".

What exactlly is a lucid dream?

Have you ever had a dream where you realized you were dreaming? Ever notice how sometimes the dream will change course then, or that you were able to manipulate the dream? Well, that's the basis, but it goes beyond that to actually training yourself to control your dreams.

Notice two key words here?

Manipulation

Control

These two words should ring warning bells to any Christian.

Manipulation and control are tricks, tools and temptations of Satan.

(I can direct you to the Scriptural basis and support for this if you would like.)

[Guest man]

Could you define "Lucid Dreaming".

What exactlly is a lucid dream?

Have you ever had a dream where you realized you were dreaming? Ever notice how sometimes the dream will change course then, or that you were able to manipulate the dream? Well, that's the basis, but it goes beyond that to actually training yourself to control your dreams.

Notice two key words here?

Manipulation

Control

These two words should ring warning bells to any Christian.

Manipulation and control are tricks, tools and temptations of Satan.

(I can direct you to the Scriptural basis and support for this if you would like.)

I am able to control my dreams to a certain extent. Does that make me evil?

I've never been involved with anything close to being considered "the occult". I've never studied dreams, or anything that has to do with the mind.

I've never asked or tried to do these things....they just happen.

Am I evil?

[nebula]

No, I'm not saying that at all!

However, I am saying watch what you are doing!

It's one thing to be in a dream, realize you are in a dream, and intentionally or unintentionally directing change.

It's another to play with power - the art of lucid dreaming is crossing that line.

[Guest man]

It's one thing to be in a dream, realize you are in a dream, and intentionally or unintentionally directing change.

It's another to play with power - the art of lucid dreaming is crossing that line.

Why is it bad to be able to control ones thoughts?

I'm not trying to control anyone else. I'm not even making an effort to control mine....it just happens.

They're dreams.....where's the bad?

[Cerebrus]

No, I'm not saying that at all!

However, I am saying watch what you are doing!

It's one thing to be in a dream, realize you are in a dream, and intentionally or unintentionally directing change.

It's another to play with power - the art of lucid dreaming is crossing that line.

I really don't understand this logic at all.

How is this different than learning the art of playing guitar, or drawing, or sky diving?

What's wrong with being able to control your thoughts, and of all things, something as harmless as your dreams?

What about "self control", keeping yourself from getting angry etc.

I've had several of these lucid dreams entirely "by accident" and I really have trouble believing that learning how to induce them on purpose is "evil".

I recovered from crippling knee and wrist pain entirely from using my thoughts and relieving repressed memories. This was after going to countless doctors giving me medicines and recommending even surgery (!). This was something I had to learn, an art if you will. (a book I came upon thanks I believe to my prayers to recover from the condition) Is this wrong too?

Why is it that anything connected with controlling your mind you guys are considering evil? I'm curious what you all would think of some of the Christian mystics

throughout history.

The common theme seems to be "anything that doesn't directly involve God in improving yourself or attaining a goal is evil". What about working out to be better at sports? I mean, is it evil to have SOME measure of self-reliance while of course relying on God over all?? When you get in the car, you pray for safety, but you still put on the seat belt right?

I can imagine in the past people being upset by medical research because it's "tampering with God's authority". Surely you don't agree with that logic! This reminds me for some reason of a story of a jet fighter pilot friend of mine told me about a training course he was doing with a Saudi pilot. He threw the jet into a tail spin on purpose (to see if the Saudi trainee could get out of it) and the Saudi simply said "Allah Akbar", and left the controls alone so as not to "tamper with God's authority". Obviously, my friend had to pull out the jet of the dive himself.

I hope this argument makes sense, I realize I'm sort of going off on a tangent here...

Edited April 19, 2008 by Cerebrus

[OneLight]

Having a lucid dream is not evil. Trying to control your dreams for the purpose of learning to consciously explore and use your dreams for self-discovery, creativity, fantasy fulfillment, emotional healing, and profound spiritual insights is where you get into spiritual danger. It is where New Age is taking it.