Is the florida revival real?

[OneLight]

you guys keep saying that you can not buy the gift...i say you guys because i'm not good at remembering who says what but anyways... we agree nobody said that...i'm confused...?lol she said she gained knowledge about the gift and then you say neb your wrong but you can gain nowledge about a gift from someone...lol ahhhh

I was referring to the fact that this pastor is charging to teach someone how to get a gift. Neb was saying that she learned how to hear Gods voice from someone's teaching. I was stating that there is a difference. You can learn about a gift, but you can not receive a gift by attending a class or any sort. Yes, you can learn of someone's experience who has a gift, but this does not mean that you would then have it because you learned for that person.

[nebula]

Do you believe that one can be taught on how to be a prophet?

Can someone teach another person how to be a prophet of God?

Consider this:

Elijah trained Elisha.

Are you telling me that this Todd Bentley is on the same level as Elijah?

Where in the world did you get the idea that I was saying anything close to that?

No, that is not what I was saying.

Mr. Bentley will teach you how to be a prophet in 4 days....how long was Elisha's training?

My point was that just because you have a gift does not mean you do not need any instruction on how to use the gift.

It's like this: a "How to drive a car" manual won't do me any good if I don't have a car (and a license if you want to get technical). But, if you do have a car, instruction on how to drive it is a very, very good idea.

the same can be said for any "gift" - whether spiritual or physical. If you don't know how to use it, you are bound to fumble with it. But if you have the gift, instruction is incredibly useful.

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Recall that Eli needed to teach Samuel that he was hearing the voice of the Lord? If Eli never taught that to Samuel, and how to respond, how long do you suppose it would have taken Samuel to understand what was going on?

Edited April 28, 2008 by nebula

[Merin]

you guys keep saying that you can not buy the gift...i say you guys because i'm not good at remembering who says what but anyways... we agree nobody said that...i'm confused...?lol she said she gained knowledge about the gift and then you say neb your wrong but you can gain nowledge about a gift from someone...lol ahhhh

I was referring to the fact that this pastor is charging to teach someone how to get a gift.

Did you really get that from him? He's not giving out gifts from the spirit of todd.....

[nebula]

Isaiah and Jeremiah-et-all in the OT were handpicked by God and were not taught how to prophesise.

How do you know they were never taught anything?

People who write books about gifting are only writing about their own experiece with their particular type of gifts.

And why cannot people learn from others' experiences?

Discernment is an inner knowledge that is hard to define, let alone teach, it's something that is laid on your spirit and you take heed of it and ponder on it in conjuction with the H/S. Now that not to say that I am always 100% right, but it rings enough bells to make me cautious if not suspicious.

Understood.

Question: Have you learned to distinguish your own biases from the discernment of the Spirit? How have you learned to tell the difference?

This thread is about the Florida revival, so I'm asking why would God reign His wrath on an area ( not that I believe that it was an act of God) four years ago and then send some unknown preacher to call a revival in the same part of the country. Not saying it's impossible,or even implausible, just weird.....to me anyway.

Sometimes you need to break something before you can remold and reshape it.

As for Elijah and Elisha, God knew He was going to take Elijah home and passed his cloak onto Elisha. It was arranged by God himself.

Elisha served Elijah for a long time before he was taken home.

What do you make of the "sons of the prophets" who prophesied to Elisha before Elijah was taken?

[nebula]

If someone wants to publish a book, then the one who wants to read it can pay the price. This does not mean that the gifts of the Spirit can be bought or sold.

Is he advertising - "Buy the book and you will receive the gift?"

[nebula]

Neb, your problem was not a gift of the Spirit. It was knowing the voice of God.

Well, first of all -

Is it possible for a person to prophecy without knowing the voice of God?

Second -

Paul instructed us to pray for the gift of prophecy. (1 Cor. 14:1 - Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.)

Have you sought the Lord for this?

[Merin]

she's on a roll...

[eric]

Neb, your problem was not a gift of the Spirit. It was knowing the voice of God.

Well, first of all -

Is it possible for a person to prophecy without knowing the voice of God?

Second -

Paul instructed us to pray for the gift of prophecy. (1 Cor. 14:1 - Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.)

Have you sought the Lord for this?

Hi Neb, I just read three different versions of that verse and all agree that Paul said to desire spirirtual gifts, which I surmise that it is a gift that can only come from God through prayer, and especially the gift of prophecy, so kudos for that part, but as all the gifts are from God, I, myself do not think that any man can teach any other man how than can be obtained. As for the first question, I would have to say no, I mean who knows the voice of God. satan is quite capable to imitate God's voice. The H/S has quickened a lot of scripture in my quiet times with Him but I don't hear actual words.granted that we are all unique in Him.

[nebula]

Posting problems?

[Merin]

He just said that june 22 to july 22 the glory of God was going to Really come...Actually he was quoting Bob Jones who is prophesing that...?

they are also moving to a bigger place for the second time...into a 9,000 seater...