Left Behind - will there be a "Rapture"?

[Streetsweeper]

I'm not allowed to vote. I guess it's something to do with me being a newbie to the forums.

I'm assuming that the emphasis of the poll was about the dispensational pre-trib rapture. I was going to vote 'No', although wasn't happy with the way that option was worded. It's not just a matter of implication from historical records that the rapture is not Biblical. The Bible simply doesn't support the notion of pre-tribulation rapture.

Philip

[Floatingaxe]

I'm not allowed to vote. I guess it's something to do with me being a newbie to the forums.

I'm assuming that the emphasis of the poll was about the dispensational pre-trib rapture. I was going to vote 'No', although wasn't happy with the way that option was worded. It's not just a matter of implication from historical records that the rapture is not Biblical. The Bible simply doesn't support the notion of pre-tribulation rapture.

Philip

Millions of believers now and who have gone before us believe the Word of God teaches of a catching away of the Church, the Bride. It actually follows the ancient Jewish method of marriage, where the Bridegroom comes at a moment unexpected and swoops in and takes his waiting and ready Bride home with him for a wedding ceremony and feast.

Can't wait!

[irishcowboy]

what does it mean when Christ was saying this?;

Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Luk 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

no trick, I know what I believe it means, but want to know what others believe......

mike

[Floatingaxe]

what does it mean when Christ was saying this?;

Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Luk 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

no trick, I know what I believe it means, but want to know what others believe......

mike

To me it speaks of Jesus referring to the fact that some of those within his hearing at that moment will be present to see Jesus rising into His kingdom--His Ascension. Sure enough, it was witnessed by three of His favourite disciples!

[Floatingaxe]

what does it mean when Christ was saying this?;

Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Luk 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

no trick, I know what I believe it means, but want to know what others believe......

mike

To me it speaks of Jesus referring to the fact that some of those within his hearing at that moment will be present to see Jesus rising into His kingdom--His Ascension. Sure enough, it was witnessed by three of His favourite disciples!

Well? Whadya think, mike?

[Willow325]

Hey, Christians have always taught a rapture. It's the 'pre trib' position that lacks historicity. Even when I was a fundamental Baptist I always believed in a post-trib rapture. And this is the view Charles Spurgeon held! I now tend to lean strongly toward the 'pre wrath' view.

I know alot of other Christians would disagree w/ me on this.

Peace & Health,

Brian

My husband won't even get into a discussion about whether there is going to be a rapture. He says that if there is a rapture, fine. If not, fine.

On the other hand, I hope the Church or the Body of Christ will be divinely protected during the Tribulation as the Jews were protected in Egypt during the Ten Plagues. Why should God pour out his wrath on his own children; children who have turned from their wicked ways and have accepted Jesus as their Saviour. The Tribulation is a time of God's wrath on those who have rejected Christ and have destroyed the earth.

But I have to say I'm in the same boat as my husband is. If the rapture happens before the Tribulation, during or even after, fine. Whatever.

[Floatingaxe]

Hey, Christians have always taught a rapture. It's the 'pre trib' position that lacks historicity. Even when I was a fundamental Baptist I always believed in a post-trib rapture. And this is the view Charles Spurgeon held! I now tend to lean strongly toward the 'pre wrath' view.

I know alot of other Christians would disagree w/ me on this.

Peace & Health,

Brian

My husband won't even get into a discussion about whether there is going to be a rapture. He says that if there is a rapture, fine. If not, fine.

On the other hand, I hope the Church or the Body of Christ will be divinely protected during the Tribulation as the Jews were protected in Egypt during the Ten Plagues. Why should God pour out his wrath on his own children; children who have turned from their wicked ways and have accepted Jesus as their Saviour. The Tribulation is a time of God's wrath on those who have rejected Christ and have destroyed the earth.

But I have to say I'm in the same boat as my husband is. If the rapture happens before the Tribulation, during or even after, fine. Whatever.

Well the wrath of God is the destruction of the wicked by fire which occurs at the post trib 2nd coming, and we will be rapture b4 that as Christ is returning. The tribulation is a product of evil men growing worse and worse deceiving and being deceived. God will indeed protect us through this time of trouble if we hear is voice and go to our place of protection. If not we will starve and be subject to the wrath of evil men and satan (not God's wrath but mans and satans) Just like if Elijah would have not went to the brook where he had water and where the Ravens fed him he would have starved. We must to go to where God leads us during the tribulation, to where our provision is.

There will be a rapture, but it is at the posttrib 2nd coming of Christ, not b4 the tribulation

That is your take, not many would agree.

[Massorite]

Hey, Christians have always taught a rapture. It's the 'pre trib' position that lacks historicity. Even when I was a fundamental Baptist I always believed in a post-trib rapture. And this is the view Charles Spurgeon held! I now tend to lean strongly toward the 'pre wrath' view.

I know alot of other Christians would disagree w/ me on this.

Peace & Health,

Brian

My husband won't even get into a discussion about whether there is going to be a rapture. He says that if there is a rapture, fine. If not, fine.

On the other hand, I hope the Church or the Body of Christ will be divinely protected during the Tribulation as the Jews were protected in Egypt during the Ten Plagues. Why should God pour out his wrath on his own children; children who have turned from their wicked ways and have accepted Jesus as their Saviour. The Tribulation is a time of God's wrath on those who have rejected Christ and have destroyed the earth.

But I have to say I'm in the same boat as my husband is. If the rapture happens before the Tribulation, during or even after, fine. Whatever.

My studies have shown me that the main charectoristics of the post or pre-trib belief do not exist in the bible. One of the pre-trib charectoristics is that the "He who restrains" or "the Restrainer" or "He who withholds" spoken of in 2 Thess. 2 is suppoesed to be the church or Body of Christ. And this is being taught in almost all bible collages, schools, seminaries and the like. But there is nowhere in the bible where it tells us who this Restrainer is and to believe that this Restrainer is the Church is believing in that which can not be scripturally backed up. And theses who believe that which can not be proved using the word of God are deceived and we as all Christians should be doing as God has instructed which is Rightly Dividing the Word and speaking out against false teaching so that those who are deceived would have a chance to now the truth of what the word of God really says and not what the assumptions of men are. We should all be concerned about any Brother or Sister who are deceived into believing that which the Word of God does not say.

Jesus commanded us not to be decieved or to decieved others and to hate or dislike evil.

[Floatingaxe]

Hey, Christians have always taught a rapture. It's the 'pre trib' position that lacks historicity. Even when I was a fundamental Baptist I always believed in a post-trib rapture. And this is the view Charles Spurgeon held! I now tend to lean strongly toward the 'pre wrath' view.

I know alot of other Christians would disagree w/ me on this.

Peace & Health,

Brian

My husband won't even get into a discussion about whether there is going to be a rapture. He says that if there is a rapture, fine. If not, fine.

On the other hand, I hope the Church or the Body of Christ will be divinely protected during the Tribulation as the Jews were protected in Egypt during the Ten Plagues. Why should God pour out his wrath on his own children; children who have turned from their wicked ways and have accepted Jesus as their Saviour. The Tribulation is a time of God's wrath on those who have rejected Christ and have destroyed the earth.

But I have to say I'm in the same boat as my husband is. If the rapture happens before the Tribulation, during or even after, fine. Whatever.

Well the wrath of God is the destruction of the wicked by fire which occurs at the post trib 2nd coming, and we will be rapture b4 that as Christ is returning. The tribulation is a product of evil men growing worse and worse deceiving and being deceived. God will indeed protect us through this time of trouble if we hear is voice and go to our place of protection. If not we will starve and be subject to the wrath of evil men and satan (not God's wrath but mans and satans) Just like if Elijah would have not went to the brook where he had water and where the Ravens fed him he would have starved. We must to go to where God leads us during the tribulation, to where our provision is.

There will be a rapture, but it is at the posttrib 2nd coming of Christ, not b4 the tribulation

That is your take, not many would agree.

I am not to concerned with popular opinion, just the truth of scripture.

Then you are saying that many who disagree with you are refuting scripture? Come now! if you knew scripture, you would know that this area is ambiguous at best! You very well could be totally wrong about it, so being dogmatic regarding eschatology is useless, and so popular opinion among believers has importance, as the Holy Spirit leads us to our understanding.

[mary ann]

Hey, Christians have always taught a rapture. It's the 'pre trib' position that lacks historicity. Even when I was a fundamental Baptist I always believed in a post-trib rapture. And this is the view Charles Spurgeon held! I now tend to lean strongly toward the 'pre wrath' view.

I know alot of other Christians would disagree w/ me on this.

Peace & Health,

Brian

My husband won't even get into a discussion about whether there is going to be a rapture. He says that if there is a rapture, fine. If not, fine.

On the other hand, I hope the Church or the Body of Christ will be divinely protected during the Tribulation as the Jews were protected in Egypt during the Ten Plagues. Why should God pour out his wrath on his own children; children who have turned from their wicked ways and have accepted Jesus as their Saviour. The Tribulation is a time of God's wrath on those who have rejected Christ and have destroyed the earth.

But I have to say I'm in the same boat as my husband is. If the rapture happens before the Tribulation, during or even after, fine. Whatever.

Well the wrath of God is the destruction of the wicked by fire which occurs at the post trib 2nd coming, and we will be rapture b4 that as Christ is returning. The tribulation is a product of evil men growing worse and worse deceiving and being deceived. God will indeed protect us through this time of trouble if we hear is voice and go to our place of protection. If not we will starve and be subject to the wrath of evil men and satan (not God's wrath but mans and satans) Just like if Elijah would have not went to the brook where he had water and where the Ravens fed him he would have starved. We must to go to where God leads us during the tribulation, to where our provision is.

There will be a rapture, but it is at the posttrib 2nd coming of Christ, not b4 the tribulation

That is your take, not many would agree.

I am not to concerned with popular opinion, just the truth of scripture.

Then you are saying that many who disagree with you are refuting scripture? Come now! if you knew scripture, you would know that this area is ambiguous at best! You very well could be totally wrong about it, so being dogmatic regarding eschatology is useless, and so popular opinion among believers has importance, as the Holy Spirit leads us to our understanding.

Hi all; I firmly believe there will be a rapture for all those who are Jesus;s followers 1 Thesaloniams clearly states that. I was raised a Catholic and before would have had no idea what that was but now as a born-again christian I hold fast to that promise of my Lord and Savior Jesus I do not want to be hear wwhen the trib starts! mary ann