Space colonization

[AnotherTraveler]

I think it would be cool and I'd sure enough sign up and as far as staying where God put me I'm pretty sure that when my time comes he'll know where to find me no matter what part of the Universe I'm in.

Not one soul is encouraged to believe one thing I write here. Not even God forces anyone to believe.

I have never said the Bible is foolishness? I may have said somewhere that not to believe somehing,or what the Scriptures plainly and clearly state is foolishness?

Read these SCRIPTURES again with an open and honest heart and see if they dont mean what they say?

For example; "The LORD hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all" (Psalms 103:19). God has a Throne and he rules His Kingdom from this Throne. Its not imaginary, its real, and its in Heaven.

There actually are MANSIONS in Heaven just like there are MANSIONS here on the Earth; "In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you" (Rev. 14:2). Jesus said, If it were not so, I would have told you. In other words Jesus does not lie! there are mansions in Heaven prepared of us.

HEAVEN IS THE CAPITOL OF THE UNIVERSE, for God has His capitol city, the New Jerusalem, His capitol building, the Heavenly Temple or Tabernacle, and His throne in the Temple, in Heaven.

There is government in God's realm God the Father is King and head fo all things and He sits on a THRONE in Heaven, Jesus sits at the Father's right hand, "And round about the THRONE are four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold" (Rev. 4:4). This clearly shows government with a head, and those under Him. To have the rule of a head of something one must have someone under the head such as subjects to rule and to rule subjects one must have government and God is the head of this government.

There are armies in Heaven. Jesus will bring when God's armies from Heaven when He returns to the Earth finally put down all rebellion;

"And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean" (Rev. 19:14).

"And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against HIS ARMY" (Rev. 19:19).

These armies are not pretend armies but real armies and they do exist in Heaven now for the Scriptures plainly and clearly state that Jesus come with the saints and the armies of Heaven to destroy the beast and THE KINGS OF THE WORLD who will come and fight against Him.

Heaven IS A REAL place similar to the Earth. (Gen.1:1; Heb.11:8-16).

In this last passage it is called a . . . . . "BETTER COUNTRY" . . . . . . than the earth. Heaven, therefore, is not an invisable nothing or a cloud floating in space.

This city is described by John in Rev.21-22. This capital city will continue to be in Heaven until the end of the Millenium and then it will be moved from the planet Heaven to the planet Earth (Rev.21:2, 9-21).

Many Scriptures speak of God's throne being in Heaven. (Ps. 103:19; Rev.4:1-2). That God has a real temple in Heaven is clear from Rev.4-5; 11:19; 14:17; 16:17.

GOD OWNS AND RULES FROM THE HEAVENS OF HEAVENS (Gen. 14:19,22; Ps. 11:4; 89:11; Luke 10:21; 11:2). He also owns the Earth and all things in the universe, but at present this planet is in rebellion against Him. This is why Jesus will be sent from Heaven with the armies of Heaven to sieze this rebellious part of the universe and restore Gods absolute rule on Earth as before the rebellion started (1 Cor. 15:24-28; Rev. 19:1-21; 20:1-10 Zech. 14; Jude 14; 2 Thess. 1:7-10; Joel 3; Matt. 24:29-31; 25:31-46).

THE LOCATION OF HEAVEN IS IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE UNIVERSE. (Isa.14:12-14). In Scripture we are told that Lucifer led a rebellion into Heaven into the sides of the North. In Ps.75:6-7 we are told that promotion comes not from the south, east, or west, but from Lord and therefore from the north.

HEAVEN IS INHABITED (! Kings 22:19; 2 Chron. 18:18; Matt.18:10; 22:30; 24:36; Rev. 12:12; 13:6).

Again, armies and hosts of Heaven are mentioned an number of times as seen in these passages and in Dan. 4:35; Luke 2:13; Rev. 19:14. These inhabitants are listed in part as common angels, archangels, seraphim, cherubim and other spirit beings. Heavenly bodies are mentioned in 1 Cor. 15:48-49. Rejocing in Heaven is referred to by the INHABITANTS in Heaven (Ps. 96:11; 148:1, 4; Isa.44:23; Rev. 12:12). 8.

Paul speaks of "the invisible things" in Heaven as being like the visible things on Earth; that is the things in Heaven are just like the things on Earth. (Rom. 1:20). The word "things" is used in many passages in referring to realities in Heaven. (Phil. 2:10; Col 1:16-20; Heb. 8:12; 9:23).

We know from Scripture that in Heaven there are Cities (Rev.21), MANSIONS (John 14:1-3), TREES, RIVERS (Rev.22:1-3), FOUNTAINS OF WATER (Rev. 7:17), FOOD (Ex.16:4; Ps.78:25: 105:40; John 6:31-51: Luke 22:16, 18, 30; Rev. 2:7, 17: 19:1-10; 22:1-3), ANIMALS (2 Kings 2:11-12; 6:13-17; Zech. 1:8-11: 6:1-8; Rev. 19:11-14, 21: Rom. 1:20), FURNITURE, TONGS (Isa.6:6), FIRE AND COALS (Isa. 6:6; Rev.8:5) CENCERS and INCENSE (Rev. 8:4-6), SMOKE (Rev. 8:4; 15:8), MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS (Rev. 5:8; 14:1-5; 15:2-4), CLOTHS (Dan. 7:9; Rev. 1:13; 6:9-11), STONES (Rev. 2:17), BOOKS (Rev. 3:5; 5:1-7; 10:1-11; 20:11-15),

Also mentioned in Scripture are, vials or bowls, crowns, thunderings, lightnings, clouds, lamps, a sea of glass, singing, worship, palm trees, temples, silence, so there must also be noise at other times, trumpets, hail, mountains, keys and chains, measuring sticks, olive trees, the ark of the testament, doors, posts, girdles, pearls, diamonds and other precious stones, walls, gates, gold in abundance, streets, fruits, banquets, and many other inumerable things.

If the invisible things in the heavenlies are clearly seen by the things on Earth, as Paul taught in Rom. 1:20, then we have a right to believe that there are in Heaven the same kind of things that we have on Earth. We have no right to make an exception of any good thing that God created and intended for man to have before the fall. Several natural men have gone to Heaven and have come back or will later come back. They are Enoch (Gen.5:22; Heb. 11:5), Elijah (2 Kings 2), Paul (2 Cor. 12:1-4), and John (Rev. 4:1). The first two of these men are still in Heaven living a natural life and will come back as the two witnesses of Zech. 4:11-14; Rev. 11:3-13).

Enoch has been in Heaven over 5,142 years and Elijah has been there over 3,500 years and they are still eating, drinking, and enjoying life on the planet Heaven. If we will understand such statements made above as literal, then the doctrin of the Heavenly world will no longer be a mystery.

We can skip around these Scriptures, doubt them, interpret them, have a good laugh at them, and even ignore them, but the fact remains they are in the Bible, in God's Word, revealed openly there for us to read. All we need do is believe them and we will have a clear understanding of Heaven, the universe, the fact that it is inhabited,and the God rules it from His throne in Heaven.

Haz.

I was following up till this...

and enjoying life on the planet Heaven

Planet Heaven? My bible gives a somewhat different description of heaven, and never uses planet in the description.

Ye are blessed of the LORD which made heaven and earth. 16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

Psalms 115:15-16 (KJV)

And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.

Isaiah 34:4 (KJV)

However, the main topic on this thread was space colonization, and I think only to Earth the devil and his angels were cast, and sin is found only eminating from earth, and I doubt God will allow the export of sin into the universe beyond.

[nebula]

In the times the Bible was written, they had no concept of planets.

[HAZARD]

In the times the Bible was written, they had no concept of planets.

Yes, and they thought the Earth was flat as well.

Haz.

[HAZARD]

"I was following up till this...

and enjoying life on the planet Heaven

Planet Heaven? My bible gives a somewhat different description of heaven, and never uses planet in the description"

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Thats right. The Earth the moon and the stars are also never mentioned as planets in Scripture but this does not mean they are not planets?

"However, the main topic on this thread was space colonization, and I think only to Earth the devil and his angels were cast, and sin is found only eminating from earth, and I doubt God will allow the export of sin into the universe beyond"

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Think about this Scripture alone;

"Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time" (Revelation 12:12).

Ye Heavens . . . . . and Ye that dwell in THEM? Them means more than one.

Correct, The Earth is the only planet in the universe which is in rebellion against God for it was here as you said Lucifer was cast down to. Jesus will return to the Earth to finally put down all rebellion here. There is no mention in Scripture of rebellion on any other planet but Earth.

Know what, we can ignore all these many dozens of Scriptures,

We know from Scripture that in Heaven there are Cities (Rev.21), MANSIONS (John 14:1-3), TREES, RIVERS (Rev.22:1-3), FOUNTAINS OF WATER (Rev. 7:17), FOOD (Ex.16:4; Ps.78:25: 105:40; John 6:31-51: Luke 22:16, 18, 30; Rev. 2:7, 17: 19:1-10; 22:1-3), ANIMALS (2 Kings 2:11-12; 6:13-17; Zech. 1:8-11: 6:1-8; Rev. 19:11-14, 21: Rom. 1:20), FURNITURE, TONGS (Isa.6:6), FIRE AND COALS (Isa. 6:6; Rev.8:5) CENCERS and INCENSE (Rev. 8:4-6), SMOKE (Rev. 8:4; 15:8), MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS (Rev. 5:8; 14:1-5; 15:2-4), CLOTHS (Dan. 7:9; Rev. 1:13; 6:9-11), STONES (Rev. 2:17), BOOKS (Rev. 3:5; 5:1-7; 10:1-11; 20:11-15),

And we can continue to believe the imaginations of men if we so desire. And the city which will be brought town from heaven might be a disneyland fairy tail city and not real and tangible, as described in Revelation, with mansions, gates, rivers, trees, etc., in it prepared for us at all?

[sweetycakes]

I am quite often accused of living on another planet.

[Iryssa]

Ye Heavens . . . . . and Ye that dwell in THEM? Them means more than one.

Okay, I think I see where this is all coming from...this is about a difficulty in reading interpretation. "Heavens," though in plural form, doesn't itself mean that there is more than one heaven. "Heavens" is just a more formal way to say sky and space and all that. Kinda like how you can say "the skies above." There's just one sky, but sometimes "skies" is used instead, because it's prettier or more formal.

"Usually, heavens. the sky, firmament, or expanse of space surrounding the earth." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/heavens

EDIT: If you need the Greek to back this up, check out the word translated as "heavens" http://www.studylight.org/desk/view.cgi?number=3772

[AnotherTraveler]

"I was following up till this...

and enjoying life on the planet Heaven

Planet Heaven? My bible gives a somewhat different description of heaven, and never uses planet in the description"

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Thats right. The Earth the moon and the stars are also never mentioned as planets in Scripture but this does not mean they are not planets?

"However, the main topic on this thread was space colonization, and I think only to Earth the devil and his angels were cast, and sin is found only eminating from earth, and I doubt God will allow the export of sin into the universe beyond"

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Think about this Scripture alone;

"Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time" (Revelation 12:12).

Ye Heavens . . . . . and Ye that dwell in THEM? Them means more than one.

Correct, The Earth is the only planet in the universe which is in rebellion against God for it was here as you said Lucifer was cast down to. Jesus will return to the Earth to finally put down all rebellion here. There is no mention in Scripture of rebellion on any other planet but Earth.

Know what, we can ignore all these many dozens of Scriptures,

We know from Scripture that in Heaven there are Cities (Rev.21), MANSIONS (John 14:1-3), TREES, RIVERS (Rev.22:1-3), FOUNTAINS OF WATER (Rev. 7:17), FOOD (Ex.16:4; Ps.78:25: 105:40; John 6:31-51: Luke 22:16, 18, 30; Rev. 2:7, 17: 19:1-10; 22:1-3), ANIMALS (2 Kings 2:11-12; 6:13-17; Zech. 1:8-11: 6:1-8; Rev. 19:11-14, 21: Rom. 1:20), FURNITURE, TONGS (Isa.6:6), FIRE AND COALS (Isa. 6:6; Rev.8:5) CENCERS and INCENSE (Rev. 8:4-6), SMOKE (Rev. 8:4; 15:8), MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS (Rev. 5:8; 14:1-5; 15:2-4), CLOTHS (Dan. 7:9; Rev. 1:13; 6:9-11), STONES (Rev. 2:17), BOOKS (Rev. 3:5; 5:1-7; 10:1-11; 20:11-15),

And we can continue to believe the imaginations of men if we so desire. And the city which will be brought town from heaven might be a disneyland fairy tail city and not real and tangible, as described in Revelation, with mansions, gates, rivers, trees, etc., in it prepared for us at all?

And we can continue to believe the imaginations of men if we so desire.

Know what, we can ignore all these many dozens of Scriptures,

Why would you want to believe the imaginations of men or ignore scripture?

[HAZARD]

"I was following up till this...

and enjoying life on the planet Heaven

Planet Heaven? My bible gives a somewhat different description of heaven, and never uses planet in the description"

.

Thats right. The Earth the moon and the stars are also never mentioned as planets in Scripture but this does not mean they are not planets?

"However, the main topic on this thread was space colonization, and I think only to Earth the devil and his angels were cast, and sin is found only eminating from earth, and I doubt God will allow the export of sin into the universe beyond"

.

Think about this Scripture alone;

"Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time" (Revelation 12:12).

Ye Heavens . . . . . and Ye that dwell in THEM? Them means more than one.

Correct, The Earth is the only planet in the universe which is in rebellion against God for it was here as you said Lucifer was cast down to. Jesus will return to the Earth to finally put down all rebellion here. There is no mention in Scripture of rebellion on any other planet but Earth.

Know what, we can ignore all these many dozens of Scriptures,

We know from Scripture that in Heaven there are Cities (Rev.21), MANSIONS (John 14:1-3), TREES, RIVERS (Rev.22:1-3), FOUNTAINS OF WATER (Rev. 7:17), FOOD (Ex.16:4; Ps.78:25: 105:40; John 6:31-51: Luke 22:16, 18, 30; Rev. 2:7, 17: 19:1-10; 22:1-3), ANIMALS (2 Kings 2:11-12; 6:13-17; Zech. 1:8-11: 6:1-8; Rev. 19:11-14, 21: Rom. 1:20), FURNITURE, TONGS (Isa.6:6), FIRE AND COALS (Isa. 6:6; Rev.8:5) CENCERS and INCENSE (Rev. 8:4-6), SMOKE (Rev. 8:4; 15:8), MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS (Rev. 5:8; 14:1-5; 15:2-4), CLOTHS (Dan. 7:9; Rev. 1:13; 6:9-11), STONES (Rev. 2:17), BOOKS (Rev. 3:5; 5:1-7; 10:1-11; 20:11-15),

And we can continue to believe the imaginations of men if we so desire. And the city which will be brought town from heaven might be a disneyland fairy tail city and not real and tangible, as described in Revelation, with mansions, gates, rivers, trees, etc., in it prepared for us at all?

And we can continue to believe the imaginations of men if we so desire.

Know what, we can ignore all these many dozens of Scriptures,

Why would you want to believe the imaginations of men or ignore scripture?

I wouldn't

Haz.

[HAZARD]

Ye Heavens . . . . . and Ye that dwell in THEM? Them means more than one.

Okay, I think I see where this is all coming from...this is about a difficulty in reading interpretation. "Heavens," though in plural form, doesn't itself mean that there is more than one heaven. "Heavens" is just a more formal way to say sky and space and all that. Kinda like how you can say "the skies above." There's just one sky, but sometimes "skies" is used instead, because it's prettier or more formal.

"Usually, heavens. the sky, firmament, or expanse of space surrounding the earth." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/heavens

EDIT: If you need the Greek to back this up, check out the word translated as "heavens" http://www.studylight.org/desk/view.cgi?number=3772

Thanks 'Iryssa'

Scriptures show more than one heaven. The Scripture I quoted does not say, "Rejoice you heaven and you who dwell in it" It says "Rejouce YE HEAVENS and YE who dwell in THEM? . . . . Ye plural, Heavens plural, and them plural.

Your right, I found these Scriptures regarding the Heavens. 1. where God lives, the heaven above the earth where the clouds are and stary space throughout the universe.

Besides the Heaven where God dwells (Gen21:17; 22:11, 15: 2 Cor. 12:1-3; Deut. 26:15; 1 Kings 8:30;38, 43, 49) there are two other spheres called Heaven.

Paul speaks of three heavens (2 Cor. 12:1-3) The third Heaven here is called the paradise where God lives. The other two heavens are: the clouds (Gen.1:8; 7:23; 8:2; Job 38:9, 34; Isa. 14:14; Jer.51:16);

And the starry space between the Earth and God's Heaven (Gen. 1:15-20; 22:17; Isa.14:12-14; Ps. 8:3).

Haz.

[Iryssa]

Ye Heavens . . . . . and Ye that dwell in THEM? Them means more than one.

Okay, I think I see where this is all coming from...this is about a difficulty in reading interpretation. "Heavens," though in plural form, doesn't itself mean that there is more than one heaven. "Heavens" is just a more formal way to say sky and space and all that. Kinda like how you can say "the skies above." There's just one sky, but sometimes "skies" is used instead, because it's prettier or more formal.

"Usually, heavens. the sky, firmament, or expanse of space surrounding the earth." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/heavens

EDIT: If you need the Greek to back this up, check out the word translated as "heavens" http://www.studylight.org/desk/view.cgi?number=3772

Thanks 'Iryssa'

Scriptures show more than one heaven. The Scripture I quoted does not say, "Rejoice you heaven and you who dwell in it" It says "Rejouce YE HEAVENS and YE who dwell in THEM? . . . . Ye plural, Heavens plural, and them plural.

That's because it would be grammatically incorrect to then use "it" instead of "them" when you are still referring to the same subject. You have to be consistent. And the "ye" has nothing to do with how many heavens there are, because it's referring to the things which dwell in the heavens, not the heavens themselves, which, depending on the context, would be either heavenly hosts (such as angels) or planets, moons, galaxies and stars (etc.).