The purpose driven church

[Yahsway]

Good analogy tsth!!! be blessed!

[gypc]

Did someone say Robert Schuller? Here are a few of his quotes:

"I am not trying to convert anyone from another religion, I am only try to reach people who have no religion.

[Yahsway]

BlessYou gypc! Thank you so much for sharing that. This man teaches more or less that we are all "god" and Yeshua himself had to depend on the cross to keep His "perfect self-esteem" from becoming "sinful-pride"?

Oh My, sounds like cross worship to me instead of True worship of Yeshua. The cross did not sanctify and make Yeshua Holy, He was and Is holy. the "perfect" "spotless" lamb of God.

It was what He Did on the cross, not what the cross did for Him!

And Shuller is not trying to convert anyone, just reach out to those who have no religon? Then I sesnse Shuller is preaching another "Jesus" and another gospel.

Oh yes, and lets remeber not to hurt ones "personality by telling them they are lost and headed for hell, its not their souls and their eternal life we should be concerned with, just be sure not to damage their self-esteem and personality. Still sounds like a different Jesus and gospel to me.

"Every persons hunger for "glory"? I thought God said No flesh was to glory before Him. He shares His glory with no man.

A person is in hell when he has lost his "self-esteem"? Again, sounds like the preaching of a different gospel.

The only comments made by Schuller that I do agree with here is that He is the founder of the church growth movement and its mega marketing. Rick Warren was mentored by him along with C. Peter Wagner, and a host of others are following suit.

Again, Thanks dear berean for the info. More of us should be checking out these so called leaders of our modern churches today. Stay Awake Church. Lets pray hard as not to enter into such deception. Be blessed.

[Guest shadow2b]

Did someone say Robert Schuller? Here are a few of his quotes:

"I am not trying to convert anyone from another religion, I am only try to reach people who have no religion.

[Guest shadow2b]

-Jeremiah 5:30 "An astonishing and horrible thing Has been committed in the land: 31 The prophets prophesy falsely, And the priests rule by their own power; And My people love to have it so. But what will you do in the end?

-yepppp--Suzanne--This is SO Heart-Breaking--Honestly---Tears come to my eyes when I read some of these posts--I try ta make fun {mostly of my self to keep from crying-"real-men" don't cry ya--know?}---Tragic---SAD--& I honestly don't know what to say that might open their eyes....

-{my people "LOVE"to have it so!!}-I really can-Not understand this--statement--How can ya "LOVE" False-hood when you "Know" it's False??

[ServingHim]

spiritual warrior said:

I agree, I've asked for an interpretation of II Timothy 4:3 several times. And curiously the ones who agree with the seeker sensitive message haven't answered me one time. Hmmmmmm. Makes me wonder.

[ServingHim]

Posted on Rick Warren's web page:

QUOTE:

What is Salvation?

Our disobedient nature has eternally separated us from our Creator. No matter how hard we try, we can never earn our way back into God

[ray]

Good, Bad, or indifferent what does it matter if it brings people to the Lord.

I see nothing much here in this post about criticsim for the purpose driven church in this thread. There are few positive post but more negative.

My mommy always said if you have nothing nice to say don't say it all.

The more talk about the more popularity you give it. HHhmmmm what a novility the more we talk about Christ the more popualr He becomes. Just cause the purpose driven church is not your cup of tea when are you gonna make a change for your church? We as Christians are suppose to be winnning souls for christ and John Baker has found a way to get outside the box of tradition and do and I don't see why we as christians think of that as bad or evil.

At least John Baker is not seating in the pew on Sundays keepping the pew warm he is actually trying to reach the lost. When was the last time any of you got out of your comfort zone? If Christ had not gone out of His comfort zone where would any of us be today?

If can't stand the heat in the Kitchen get out. If can't stand the purpose Driven life or church stop talking about it.

Thats enough of my soap box.

[ServingHim]

Good, Bad, or indifferent what does it matter if it brings people to the Lord.

but if it brings them to the 'Lord' with the FALSE impression of what it means to 'carry one's cross' and 'follow Jesus'. According to these teachings, you have to DO NOTHING, and you're saved poof because you asked Jesus to be Lord & Savior...lip service, I believe. ACTIONS speak MUCH louder than words...

[gypc]

Ray I think you made a very good point however the hardest working religion I've ever seen was Jehovah's Witnesses.

By your statement "When was the last time any of you got out of your comfort zone?" I am deeply convicted.

In his love,

Brian