A question i was asked and cannot answer

[HAZARD]

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The question is:- as Jesus was part of the trinity and he obviouly knew about his fathers buisness....then why did he have to pray????he was part of his father...he would be praying to himself would he not????

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Hi Cymba 22.

I stumbled across this question of yours put up two years ago.

Jesus was praying to HIS FATHER, and not to Himself. Jesus is a separate and distinct being, a member of the Godhead (Romans 1:20; Colossians 2:9).

In eighty separate statements by Jesus Himself, He constantly affirmed that He was not the Father and not the only person in the Godhead. These passages will not permit us to believe in any one person as being referred to. Jesus is the speaker, but He is not the one spoken of. (Matt. 7:21; 10:32-33; 11:27; 15:13; 16:17; 18:10, 19, 35; 19:17; 20:23; 24:36; 25:34; 26:29, 39, 42, 53; Luke 2:49; John 5:17, 43; 6:32, 65; 8:19, 28, 38, 49, 54; 10:17-18, 25, 29, 30, 32, 37; 12:26-28; 14:7, 12, 20, 21, 28; 15:1, 8, 10, 4, 23; 16:23-26; 18:11; 20:17, 21; Rev. 1;1; 2:27; 3:5, 12; 5:1-7, 13; 7:9, 15-16; 10:6; 11:15; 12:10; 21:10; 21:22-23; 22:1-5.

Jesus said His Father "was greater than all" and "greater than I" (John 10:29; 14:28). He then could not be the Father. Paul also stated that the Father was "the head of Christ" (1 Cor. 3:23; 11:3). God the Father said of Jesus, "My beloved Son" (Matt. 3:16-17; 17:5; Ps. 2:7). Jesus said of Himself, "I am the Son of God" (John 10:38). Even demons said He was "the Son of God" (Mark 3:11) and the "Son of the Most High God" (Mark 5:7).

Jesus Christ existed in His Spirit body as the Word (John 1:1), throughout all eternity past, untill He divested Himself of His Spirit body and became a man.

As God He has always existed. But, as a man, in taking human form, flesh and blood, He had a beginning.

Scripture, show that Jesus Christ was one of the three divine persons of the Deity and that as God he had no beginning.

Mic. 5:2 states He existed from all eternity.

John states of Him as existing in the very beginning with the Father (John 1;1-5).

Jesus Himself said He was before Abraham, and before the World was created (John 8:58; 17:5, 24).

Paul states Christ as existing before all things and as the creator and upholder of all things (Col. 1:15-18; Heb. 1:1-3, 8; 2:10). God the Father created all things by Jesus (Eph. 3:9).

Divine names are ascribed to Him.

These divine names and titles proves that He is by nature divine and a member of the Godhead.

He is called God and Immanuel in (Matt. 1:23; John 1:1; 20:28 and Acts 20:28).

Christ the Lord (Luke 2:26); The Son of God (Matt. 4:3; 14:33; Luke 22:70; John 1:34; Rom. 1:4). He is called "MY SON" by the Father in (Matt. 3:17); The only begotten Son (John 1:18; 3:16-18; 1 John 4:9).

He is called the First and the Last. Alpha and Omega, The beginning and Ending (Rev. 22:12, 13, 16). The Lord (Acts9:17); The Son of the Highest (Luke 1:32; Mark 14:61).

The Holy Child Jesus (Acts 4:30); King of Kings and Lord of Lords (Rev. 19:16); Lord and Savious (2 Peter 3:2); and The Word Of God (Rev. 19:13), and many more such titles show He is a member of the Divine Godhead.

In Phil. 2:5-11 Paul speaks of Christ being in God's form and that He laid aside this form and limited His attributes and powers as God to become a man. These powers were given back to Him when He was exalted to the highest place with God, (Coll. 3:1; Mark 16:19), after His lowest humiliation and limitation before God-even to do nothing, say nothing, be nothing and depend entirely upon God the Father for needed grace for body, soul, and spirit, and make a sucess of the work the Father sent Him into the world to do (Phil 2:9-11; Eph. 1:21-23; Col. 1:15-24; 1 Pet. 3:22). We know He did not keep His powers and position whilst a man, else He could not have been exalted back to it.

If He had not laid aside all His Glory and power He could not have had it restored to Him as stated in John 17:5. If He had retained all His riches while on Earth He could not have become poor for our sakes as taught in 2 Cor. 8:9. If He had kept His divine form He could not have taken on human form as taught by Phil. 2:5-11.

His incarnation proves He was limited as a man and grew to manhood as we all do, and He developed normally as any other human child. All the traditional theories of Him making toy birds and animals of mud and breathing life into them so they became real creatures and ran and flew away, and the many other miraculous powers He allegedly had from birth are mere theories and traditions made up by suspicious pagans to make Him equal with their pagan gods. He was a normal man as we are, and He did no miraculous works untill He was anointed fully by the Holy Spirit (Matt. 3:16-17; John 2:11).

After Jesus was annointed by the Holy Spirit to the full, He then posessed all the gifts and Graces of the Holy Spirit to the full, and He demonstrated what being like God among men really is like and He encouraged one and all who aspire to this exalted position, of sons of God with Power (John 3:34; Acts 10:38).

He laid aside His natural and divine attributes, and their use, and became a perfect example of yieldedness to God and His Spirit to overcome the world, the flesh, and the devil (Heb. 10:5-9; Acts 10:38).

Regarding His Humanity. Human names were ascribed to Him. Rabboni (John 20:16), Jesus (Matt. 1:21), Son of Abraham and David (Matt. 1:1), Seed and Offspring of David(Rom. 1:3; Rev. 5:5; 22:16). The second man and the Last Adam (1 Cor. 15:45-47). The King of the Jews (Matt. 2:2).

He was called a "BABE," a "CHILD," and a "MAN" (Luke 2:16; Isa. 9:6; Acts 17:31; 1 Tim. 2L4-5; Rom. 5:12-21; John 8:40; Acts 2:22; 1 Cor. 15:21, 45-47).

It was prophecied that He would be born of a human mother (Gen. 3:15; Isa. 7:14; 9:6-7; 11:1; 53:1-12; Ps. 22).

And He had flesh and blood like all other men (John 1:14; Heb. 2:14-15; 1 John 4:1-6; Luke 24:39; John 19:34).

Jesus Christ, in His glorified flesh and bone body, now sits beside the Father in Heaven (Luke 24:39; John 20:27; Mark 16:19; Luke 22:69), for the Father, who is and did remain a Spirit being, is Spirit and has a Spirit body, and must be worshiped in Spirit and truth (John 4:24). Jesus is not now sitting beside Himself in Heaven, did not talk to Himself, and the Father also did not talk to Himself, send Himself to the Earth and pray to Himself in Heaven, calling Himself my Father in Heaven, and to say so is foolish.

[Floatingaxe]

What good Son doesn't speak to His Father???? Jesus had taken on all that humanity required.

[aslanlight]

I dont know if this is in the right forum...feel free to move it

The question is:- as Jesus was part of the trinity and he obviouly knew about his fathers buisness....then why did he have to pray????he was part of his father...he would be praying to himself would he not????

He was also human so needed to pray for strength as you or I do.

He said God was his Father.

Edited January 30, 2007 by aslanlight

[cymba22]

I nearly fell when I saw this post ressurected

Haz I liked the supporting Bible verses you gave (always like that about you).

Thank you all for your replies.

[Larry 2]

I dont know if this is in the right forum...feel free to move it

The question is:- as Jesus was part of the trinity and he obviouly knew about his fathers buisness....then why did he have to pray????he was part of his father...he would be praying to himself would he not????

Dear Cymba22, I offer the following scriptures, and my thoughts on them concerning Jesus and His Father.

Philippians 2:5-13

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Then in the following verses we see Jesus taking seven great steps downward to become man.

But made himself of no reputation

took upon him the form of a servant

was made in the likeness of men

he humbled himself

obedient unto death,.

even the death of the cross

being found in fashion as a man

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

As a man, Jesus became subject to everything we are faced with, yet without sin. When Jesus prayed, He received the same benefit from the Father we do; He did nothing of his own. You might read the Lord

[Guest Biblicist]

I dont know if this is in the right forum...feel free to move it

The question is:- as Jesus was part of the trinity and he obviously knew about his fathers buisness....then why did he have to pray????he was part of his father...he would be praying to himself would he not????

It's called submission. Something I promised when I married my husband. Jesus was submissive to the Will of God. Did it make Him less equal or less God? NO. It only made him a perfect example of how we were to act in a relationship. Jesus was submissive to the Father. Still God, yet submissive to the role God plays in the trinity, in His respective role as son.

In like manner I am submissive to my husband. Does it make me less equal or somehow different than he is? NO. It only helps me show respect to my husband in his role, while fulfilling mine as wife.

[Iryssa]

Well said

[HAZARD]

I agree, well said. and by all.

Haz,.

[Masked Chris]

I dont know if this is in the right forum...feel free to move it

The question is:- as Jesus was part of the trinity and he obviouly knew about his fathers buisness....then why did he have to pray????he was part of his father...he would be praying to himself would he not????

you gotta keep in mind that Jesus came down in flesh and was human. He needed to pray for the same reason he needed to eat and drink. It's what humans need to do to connect with God. Even though Jesus was God he was still a real human while he was on earth and had to submit to the laws of human nature that us humans have to submit to everyday.