Women in ministry

[stevehut]

Another thought:

I recently read a book by Pastor Bob Russell, called "When God Builds a Church."

One interesting stat: Survey after survey has shown that when women lead a church, Mom and the kids come every week, but Dad stays home. But when men lead, Dad comes and brings everyone with him. And of course, in most churches, men are definitely a minority.

Isn't this what we all want, to attract as many people into the fold as possible?

[Floatingaxe]

No...Jesus set things in motion so that the Church would change culture. However the Church has been rather slow and disobedient, and the deep-seated hatred of women has continued from one generation to the next until even now, it is still there and has become rather palatable in certain sectors--mainly the churches. It is not the will of God. Thank God that Spirit-led churches are moving ahead in this area.

Yet, women play amazing roles in the New Testament and if this so-called "hatred of women" were so rampant among church leaders, and they were so bent upon suppressing things as you assert, we would not expect such positive views of the various women mentioned in the New Testament.

It appears you are making value judgments against others that if pressed for actual evidence, you would not really be able to produce it. Broad generalizations are never wise.

It is the broad general opinion that has been so damaging for centuries. If you were a woman you'd be dancing to a different tune, so pardon me if I am not so accepting of your dance.

Im a woman and Im not dancing to a different tune.

Shiloh, Ovedya, Matthitjah are all correct. Sorry Axe, but to go along with your view is to call Gods word a lie.

The Word doesn't lie. But people misinterpret it, and Paul has been misinterpreted.

[Floatingaxe]

1- It is a mindset that many people have that is based on a wrong interpretation of Paul.

2- causing the Kingdom workforce to be halved

1- I don't follow your reasoning here, axe. As early as Genesis, Eve was commanded to submit to her husband. I don't think she and Adam had were enslaved to a pile of cultural customs.

And if a woman is commanded to submit to her husband, does it make sense that she can go to church and be in charge? Seems to me that Paul's instruction is perfectly consistent with the larger the Bible record, and there isn't much to "interpret."

2- Who has suggested that women can't serve in the Kingdom?

Jesus came to equalize the relationship between man and wife in serving God, bringing them back to perfect standing, shoulder to shoulder before God. It is the Church that is given that new standard before the world, but instead the Church has followed culture and incorporated its values into the Church.

Jesus certainly desires women of God to serve alongside men in the Kingdom! Not under, not over, but alongside, just as Eve served God alongside Adam until the Fall. Jesus elevates woman (hey! Men, too!) to the pre-Fall state. That is what the Church, and most "churches" are missing.

[Ovedya]

1- It is a mindset that many people have that is based on a wrong interpretation of Paul.

2- causing the Kingdom workforce to be halved

1- I don't follow your reasoning here, axe. As early as Genesis, Eve was commanded to submit to her husband. I don't think she and Adam had were enslaved to a pile of cultural customs.

And if a woman is commanded to submit to her husband, does it make sense that she can go to church and be in charge? Seems to me that Paul's instruction is perfectly consistent with the larger the Bible record, and there isn't much to "interpret."

2- Who has suggested that women can't serve in the Kingdom?

Jesus came to equalize the relationship between man and wife in serving God, bringing them back to perfect standing, shoulder to shoulder before God. It is the Church that is given that new standard before the world, but instead the Church has followed culture and incorporated its values into the Church.

Jesus certainly desires women of God to serve alongside men in the Kingdom! Not under, not over, but alongside, just as Eve served God alongside Adam until the Fall. Jesus elevates woman (hey! Men, too!) to the pre-Fall state. That is what the Church, and most "churches" are missing.

You are teaching this as if it were fact, yet not supporting it with any Biblical or historical evidence.

Chapter and verse, please, where Peter, Paul, or any of the other apostles taught that "Jesus came to equalize the relationship between man and wife in serving God."

In terms of teaching we are specifically told by Paul to, "[hold to] the faithful word, which is according to the teaching of the apostles" (Titus. 1:9)

You are entitled to your opinion, but that is all you have offered thus far.

[kross]

There are those who pick and choose what to except as from GOD and from men. If you are one who is willing to reject anything from the Bible, then this is not going to matter to you.

1Tim 2:9- Women are not to hold a position of authority over a man, nor is she supposed to teach.

I except that there are many who have decided that this teaching can be ignored for many reasons. It is from the Bible and it is the truth.

[Guest shiloh357]

Jesus came to equalize the relationship between man and wife in serving God, bringing them back to perfect standing, shoulder to shoulder before God.

FA, Can you demonstrate this assertion from the Bible??

[Floatingaxe]

Jesus came to equalize the relationship between man and wife in serving God, bringing them back to perfect standing, shoulder to shoulder before God.

FA, Can you demonstrate this assertion from the Bible??

Just read the NT and see how He treated women!

[Ovedya]

Jesus came to equalize the relationship between man and wife in serving God, bringing them back to perfect standing, shoulder to shoulder before God.

FA, Can you demonstrate this assertion from the Bible??

Just read the NT and see how He treated women!

Hmmmm....."Woman, what have I to do with you?"

[Floatingaxe]

Jesus came to equalize the relationship between man and wife in serving God, bringing them back to perfect standing, shoulder to shoulder before God.

FA, Can you demonstrate this assertion from the Bible??

Just read the NT and see how He treated women!

Hmmmm....."Woman, what have I to do with you?"

Is that all you can think of?

[Ovedya]

Jesus came to equalize the relationship between man and wife in serving God, bringing them back to perfect standing, shoulder to shoulder before God.

FA, Can you demonstrate this assertion from the Bible??

Just read the NT and see how He treated women!

Hmmmm....."Woman, what have I to do with you?"

Is that all you can think of?

No, it's just what I immediately thought of.

You need to provide some examples instead of saying, "Just read the NT..."