Spare the Rod, Spoil the Child

[Hunterpoet]

no spanking is not biblical but many christians stick to the old testament laws and in some culturs its normal for a parent to beat their child if they step out of line with a rod or a stick or a branch

i am of croation background my self and i too was pulled into line by my father he also was brought up the old way i was taught at a young age to respect my elders no back chatting no swearing if i swore or if i did something i should not be doing my dad would belt me in front of his friends often he would use the extension cord or make me kneel on rice and i can tell you when you use an extension cord on a child it leavs marks and i had to often cover up for my father when i was questioned by the teachers and the principal

today laws are set up to prottect our kids as some parents go to far in Australia you cant do this and if a parent is seen doing this the public has a right to call the police or ring department off community services in your part of the world family services

there are better ways of punishing your kids you cant tel me the old ways work like i was raised up all this does is get the child angry to the point where they rebel and hate the father or the mother

i Grew up hating my old man for how i was brought up and the kids i have talked to that have been punished like i was have all said the same thing

God bless from damo

I recently attended a school function and I can tell you discipline is non-existant...why....cause the kids have no fear what so ever....they do as they please and thumb their nose at you.....now I'm not going to say that spanking(NOT BEATING, your father was a bad person, like mine) would solve all of this , but it would certainly be a good start.

[Axxman]

you use the word" spanking" and "beat" in the same post as if they were the same. They are not.

Beating is very different than spanking. One can fully expect reprisals from a person or animal that has been beaten.

Hey Huntepoet...

I think it is important to point out that the bible calls it beating. The way parents spank today is not described in all of scripture. The rod is specifically to be used on "the backs of fools" not on the soft fatty part of their bottoms.

Pr 23:13,14

Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

It is the call to beat your child in these two verses that brings most people to the conclusion that it is a biblical mandate to hit children. The word spanking is a man-made form of punishment, with man-made rules.

[larryt]

It seems to me that the flesh does not want the chastisement to be painful. The OT is not the only place where it is mentioned, but it is where we are shown the spiritual implications of it. In the NT we are given the fuller picture.

Heb 12:4

[Axxman]

It seems to me that the flesh does not want the chastisement to be painful. The OT is not the only place where it is mentioned, but it is where we are shown the spiritual implications of it. In the NT we are given the fuller picture.

In vs 5 we are reminded that we have forgotten the meaning of the chastening. And in vs 6 chastening is equated with scourging which is the same thing that The Lord Jesus went through. The parent that really loves his child will instill in the child that to do evil has painful consequences. Read the passage above and listen to it as from the mouth of God.

We are not called to question God's Word but to believe and obey it.

Horribly offensive to claim that people are of the "flesh" because I choose to not beat my children physically.

Hebrews 12 is about the relationship between the heavenly "father" and his earthly "children." It says not to lash out at God in response to God's punishments, and uses the example of a son being beaten by a father, yet not hitting the father back. Nowhere, in this chapter or anywhere else in the New Testament, does it say that parents must beat children with rods to begin with.

The chapter is not about parent/child relationships at all. It is about the relationship of the believer to God. There is no explicit New Testament support for spanking, in Hebrews or anywhere else.

Read the passages as though they were from the mouth of God...don't add to them.

[Guest LadyC]

awfully offensive for someone to refer to anyone who spanks their children as beating them, too. maybe we should all take a step back and consider our words?

[Hunterpoet]

you use the word" spanking" and "beat" in the same post as if they were the same. They are not.

Beating is very different than spanking. One can fully expect reprisals from a person or animal that has been beaten.

Hey Huntepoet...

I think it is important to point out that the bible calls it beating. The way parents spank today is not described in all of scripture. The rod is specifically to be used on "the backs of fools" not on the soft fatty part of their bottoms.

Pr 23:13,14

Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.

Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

It is the call to beat your child in these two verses that brings most people to the conclusion that it is a biblical mandate to hit children. The word spanking is a man-made form of punishment, with man-made rules.

Well, the word beat is used in the bible yes, but I doubt it's intent to be that punishment exceed the crime. The whole point here is discipline, and our youth are surely lacking it. If you think it more beneficial to beat your kids with a rod or stick then you go right ahead. I never had to spank my children more than once, maybe I'm just lucky or maybe I got it figured out. At any rate.."Praise G-d"... I don't have to lay awake nights wondering what my kids are up too.

[damo1]

no spanking is not biblical but many christians stick to the old testament laws and in some culturs its normal for a parent to beat their child if they step out of line with a rod or a stick or a branch

i am of croation background my self and i too was pulled into line by my father he also was brought up the old way i was taught at a young age to respect my elders no back chatting no swearing if i swore or if i did something i should not be doing my dad would belt me in front of his friends often he would use the extension cord or make me kneel on rice and i can tell you when you use an extension cord on a child it leavs marks and i had to often cover up for my father when i was questioned by the teachers and the principal

today laws are set up to prottect our kids as some parents go to far in Australia you cant do this and if a parent is seen doing this the public has a right to call the police or ring department off community services in your part of the world family services

there are better ways of punishing your kids you cant tel me the old ways work like i was raised up all this does is get the child angry to the point where they rebel and hate the father or the mother

i Grew up hating my old man for how i was brought up and the kids i have talked to that have been punished like i was have all said the same thing

God bless from damo

I recently attended a school function and I can tell you discipline is non-existant...why....cause the kids have no fear what so ever....they do as they please and thumb their nose at you.....now I'm not going to say that spanking(NOT BEATING, your father was a bad person, like mine) would solve all of this , but it would certainly be a good start.

yugoslavian boys are raised up to be tuff and are taught at a young age to respect your elders

i use to also work with dammaged youth hunter poet the kids i would deal with where very dammaged the boy i had just gotten to know stabed a youth worker he is only 12yrs old hunter poet

i also see this in australia so you are trying to tell me the way my old man took his anger out on my was a good thing

would you handle kneeling on rice for half an hour with your hands on your head and then have your old man lay into you ?

also i was raped at a young age by my old man i should not have covered up for him or should have i lied for my old man when ever i was called into the principals office and questioned

wear i was living not one person said a thing every one stuck to them selves the parents new what my father was like and they would hear him yelling at my mother constantly i had to throw my self in the midle trying to shield her the best way i can one day dad got his gun out and was ready to use i stood my ground and challanged him and told him to pull the triger

also he took his anger out on my half sister and raped her

i should have put what my old man was like so there was no confussion

i am against parents who step out off line

their are better ways in dealing with troubled kids

i know work in a nursing home as a male carer but i still have regular contac with the troubled youth i had gotten to know i do a fair bit of mentoring work and counsling over the weekend and on my days off

i just recently lead a gang leader to the lord and this kid know wants to be a role model and he has come a long way

i deal with kids your leaders would not deal with or your youth pastor the kids i get have all come from brokken homes the youngest has been in a fair bit of trouble with the law he has been living on the streets since he was 8yrs old we have just gotten him off herroin and speed he is about to be adopted a family wants to give this kid a fresh start

i forgave my father for what he put me threw but my half sister has not she still holds on to the past and is very bitter

there are bad parents living among us who should not be allowed to have kids hunter poet and i am sorry to hear that your father was a bad father i am not putting you down or am i wanting to get into a biblical argument with you

God bless from damo

[Guest LadyC]

damo, the thing is, the way your dad handled things was abuse, not discipline. spankings and beatings are not the same thing! spankings should never be done in the heat of the moment when a parent is angry.

[larryt]

It seems to me that the flesh does not want the chastisement to be painful. The OT is not the only place where it is mentioned, but it is where we are shown the spiritual implications of it. In the NT we are given the fuller picture.

In vs 5 we are reminded that we have forgotten the meaning of the chastening. And in vs 6 chastening is equated with scourging which is the same thing that The Lord Jesus went through. The parent that really loves his child will instill in the child that to do evil has painful consequences. Read the passage above and listen to it as from the mouth of God.

We are not called to question God's Word but to believe and obey it.

Horribly offensive to claim that people are of the "flesh" because I choose to not beat my children physically.

Hebrews 12 is about the relationship between the heavenly "father" and his earthly "children." It says not to lash out at God in response to God's punishments, and uses the example of a son being beaten by a father, yet not hitting the father back. Nowhere, in this chapter or anywhere else in the New Testament, does it say that parents must beat children with rods to begin with.

The chapter is not about parent/child relationships at all. It is about the relationship of the believer to God. There is no explicit New Testament support for spanking, in Hebrews or anywhere else.

Read the passages as though they were from the mouth of God...don't add to them.

Hi Axxman,

You read more into my post than I had intended.

The parent that really loves his child will instill in the child that to do evil has painful consequences.

This is the point I intended to try to get across. Doing evil has consequenced, and this must be taught to the child by the parents.

Pr 3:12 For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son [in whom] he delighteth.

Pr 13:24

[damo1]

high lady c

this is what we are looking at hear in Australia as New Zealand has had a law passed where i think its not on to where a parent can spank a child

And Australia is know looking at adressing this the orginisation i use to work for which was called life with out barriers gets kids that other departments cant handle life with out barriers has houses based around canberra and the kids that come to there care have had no discipline what so ever

i feel for the single mothers as when i do my shopping i observe what goes around me and have seen sevral mothers trying to keep their calm

i am all for it but when it comes to abuse i am against it

today parents rights have been taken off them and if we give a parent their rights back to where the discipline is left to the parent instead of family services and department off community services being invloved every time they get a call

kids today know the law very well today your child can divorce you or say to the police i am being abused

gone are the days where you as a parent have that right to controll your child we have kids running wild and we need to come to some ground

i am in support where discipline is used correctly not where it goes out of hand and you have kids like the ones i am menotoring out off controll

we cant use physical force if a kid goes off you have a list and it tells you what to do if a child swears at you you have to take it if a child hits you all you can do is shield your self the best way you can and try to keep cool

the young boy that is just about to be adopted has been told he has to listen to the parents and not walk over the kids this young boy has had no male role model or has he had proper love my main fears are this family has young kids and its the first time they have done something like this where they are taking a child who is very damaged into their home

i keep in touch with the kids that have come into life with out barriers care

i too am having to learn how to handle my 11yr old son my son lives with his mother and when he is with me he does what he can to push my bottons my x wife rings me and tells me if he has been discplined ethan has played us saying dad said i can do this or mum said i can do this i know ring my x wife that way ethan is able to see that he is not going to walk over me

their have been times where i wanted to smack him lightly but i have had to pull my self back

i am in support of the parents hear more than i am with what the goverment tends to do where a parents rights are taken off them

how i wish i was brought up diffrently i have had to undo what ever my dad put me threw as their have been times where i felt my old man comming out off me

the books that are in book stores do not help you have to go by your gut instincts when it comes to raising kids each child is diffrent and if one thing works for one kid it wil not work for another child

this is where i feel the church can step in as we can teach and show parents how to raise their kids up we have a lot to offer to this hurting world but too many parents tend to do it their way

i go by an old saying it takes a community to raise a child i see this in the philippines and i have seen this with in the aborigonal community in australia where the whole community gets behind the new parents this is what blew me away to how close filapino people are and how everyone knows their neighbour to where their kids play freelly with out fear

and its the same with the aborigonal community you dont have one mother or father but many mothers and fathers and uncles and auntys and brothers and sisters

god bless from damo