The authority of the Word of God

[Khristeeanos]

The current theory of human origins in the secular culture is atheistic evolution.

Please correct me where I am incorrect, but it teaches:

1. Big Bang where everything that exists exploded and all matter scattered out

2. Heavenly bodies began to form, which resulted in stars and later planets

3. Our earth cooled down from a hot rocky mass and eventually it started raining on the rocks and after time, simple life formed

4. Life became more complex and crawled out of the oceans and changed over time until man

The Bible could not contradict this teaching any more than it does.

1. God created earth before the sun

2. God created the earth covered in water

3. God created man and dinosaurs the same day (day 6)

4. God created plants, animals, and man with different kinds of flesh, all designed to reproduce after their kinds.

I could use other examples to show how the Bible and the theory of evolution are at odds, but this should suffice. We all have a decision to make.

Do we accept God's word as the authority in our lives and abandon man's teachings, or do we continue to compromise the Bible and say, "yes, the origin part of the Bible is wrong, but you should trust the morality anyways."

Think of it like this - if we tell the young people growing up that God was wrong when He told us about creation (or He purposely hid the truth in the gap theory or other theories), what is to stop them from abandoning the rest of the Bible as wrong?

Look at Europe for an example of what happens when you unlock that door!

[jesusiskingofkings]

I believe in the literal creation that God created everything. I have also taught my daughter this and told her that I don't care if she brings home and F in sience when they tell her the earth was created out of nothingness on its own. The world wants christains to be tolerant, and that when christain teachings are taught that another side is represented, yet wont even allow the possiblity of creation in the class rooms for considersation. They teach evolution as if it has been a proven fact, yet if you look deeply into it they say its a theory. As a theory, it should be taught as such, yet sadly alot of youths take it as fact, or partually as fact, if they believe in God. Its sad that the minority are making the rules for the magority, but we are told that in the last days people will call evil good, and god evil. Denying the creator of us, and putting ourselves as evolved creation is just evil.

[Khristeeanos]

The Bible also teaches that God made man out of the dust of the ground and made woman from the side of man.

Evolution teaches that man and woman evolved side-by-side over millions of years.

These two could not be more opposite, yet many Christians accept man's word over God's.

[Guest]

Learn what a scientific theory is.

You Are Here To Teach "Science"

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

1 Timothy 6:29

Yet You Admitted You Know Not The Creator

Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.

Jeremiah 15:16

Nor Do You Believe His Word Despite What Science Daily Shows You

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

2 Peter 3:5-7

Idol Thoughts

1) Self-Worship, The Atheistic Evolutionary Humanist's Idol

Truth - Matter Had A Beginning

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:1-3

Truth - Matter Has An Ending

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Revelation 20:11

2) A Belief System That Pontificates Dead Matter Possesses The Will To Change And To Live

Truth - God created all things

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Colossians 1:16

3) A Dogmatic Teaching That Variance Within The Same Life Form Is Now Really Evolution (Just A Spelling error?)

Truth - God Created All Life Forms Separate

And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:25

4) Blind Assertions That Matter Has Will And Did Change Itself From Dead Material Into Simple Living Stuff Into Complex Thinking Souls

Truth - God The Creator Is Apart From And Independent Of The Material Universe

Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Revelation 4:11

5) Today's Church Of The Sacred Dirt Calles Itself "Science" Even Though Evolution Is Not Observable, Testable Nor Measurable Except In Man's Mantras Of Delusion

Truth - Time Too Will Pass

And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

Revelation 10:6

Love Thoughts

One Savior

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:16

One God

For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

Isaiah 54:5

Call

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Joel 2:32

Amen

[Khristeeanos]

I think you are incorrect in what the Bible puts forth on a number of fronts...

1. The Bible is not a science book, and as such it is not trying to give scientific descriptions of what happened. If I were to say that the sun rises in the east and someone else goes into great detail about the rotation of the earth in relation to the sun, would you tell me that I am wrong in what I said about the sun?

You are correct that the Bible is not a science book, but when the Bible deals with scientific issues, it should be accurate if it is given by the God who created the earth. In other words, if the Bible is correct that God created the entire universe, He should know how it operates and when He chooses to reveal little tidbits of scientific evidence, it should be completely accurate. Do we have agreement on this point?

Now on to your main point. No one would argue that the sun "rises" and "sets" because we all know that it is merely common in our culture to refer to it as such because we all understand what is meant by it and are not speaking in scientific detail. It would be funny if we watched a nice sunrise in the mountains and said, "That was an awesome partial earth rotation!"

2. In Gen 1:1 when it says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth", I take that to mean that everything that was created was created at that point. You will notice that Gen 1:16 does not say "and then God made two great lights", it just said that God made them, it does not tell us when they were made.

Look at it this way. Let

[Khristeeanos]

does it give the order of creation or the order of arrangement?

I think it is safe to assume that both are given. It certainly limits the order by logic.

For example:

9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, "Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds." And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning

[Khristeeanos]

Anybody care to continue discussing this?

[methinkshe]

Anybody care to continue discussing this?

All I can add is the following:

1) If man evolved from nothing then he has no duty towards any god because as a self-created being he is a god in his own right.

I would not worship the God revealed in the Bible or any other god if I believed evolution were true. What would be the point? I would owe none of them anything and no god would have any right to judge me if I were a self-created being. I would at best be my own judge or at worst subject to the judgement of fellow human beings.

2) If God used evolution to bring mankind into existence then I have no desire to serve or worship Him. I have a brain-damaged daughter. Evolution is predicated on survival of the fittest. If god used evolution and survival of the fittest to "create" mankind, then he is a horrible and unmerciful and mean god who would have my daughter dead in favour of fitter specimens of humanity. Okay, so I may have used a particular instance to illustrate the general which could be construed as a bit of a stretch, but the principle remains that "nature red in tooth and claw" and death and sickness and weakness weeding out the unfit from the fit, does not speak to me of a loving and merciful god.

I would not worship the God revealed in the Bible if I believed He used evolution to "create" mankind. I would as soon worship Adolf Hitler who also believed in survival of the fittest - he called it eugenics - and murdered all those specimens of humanity whom he decided were sub-standard.

In short, evolution AND theistic evolution contradict the nature and character of our Creator God revealed in the Bible. Either God created man from the dust by the power of His word and breathed His own life into man or He did not. And if He didn't I want none of Him. Praise God, I believe with my whole heart and mind and soul and every atom of my being that God DID create man from dust and made him perfect man on day one.

[Guest]

Learn what a scientific theory is

Well There You Go Again

The Rest Of The "Theory"

Never Never Apply Any Scientific Method Holding All Critical Thinking

To Those Evolutionish Strange Dreams Of Time Plus Nothing Equals Everything

Always Excluding The One True Creator God And The Redeemer Of Israel As Recorded In The Holy Bible

All In The Name Of The False Idol Of Discarded Science And Disdained Reason

Judging The Savior While Failing To Flee The Wrath Shortly To Come

What A Scientific Theory

The Truth Is In God's Word

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

2 Timothy 3:16-17

For All Seekers Of The LORD

And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Jeremiah 29:13

All Who Would Eat Of The Living WORD

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

John 1:1-5

For All Who Would Know Jesus Christ The Redeemer Creator

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Colossians 1:13-17

For All Who Would See His Astonishing Love

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Hebrews 12:2

And Are Crushed

And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Matthew 21:44

Believe

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 3:35-36

God

[seekeratthesea]

The current theory of human origins in the secular culture is atheistic evolution.

Please correct me where I am incorrect, but it teaches:

1. Big Bang where everything that exists exploded and all matter scattered out

2. Heavenly bodies began to form, which resulted in stars and later planets

3. Our earth cooled down from a hot rocky mass and eventually it started raining on the rocks and after time, simple life formed

4. Life became more complex and crawled out of the oceans and changed over time until man

The Bible could not contradict this teaching any more than it does.

1. God created earth before the sun

2. God created the earth covered in water

3. God created man and dinosaurs the same day (day 6)

4. God created plants, animals, and man with different kinds of flesh, all designed to reproduce after their kinds.

I could use other examples to show how the Bible and the theory of evolution are at odds, but this should suffice. We all have a decision to make.

Do we accept God's word as the authority in our lives and abandon man's teachings, or do we continue to compromise the Bible and say, "yes, the origin part of the Bible is wrong, but you should trust the morality anyways."

Think of it like this - if we tell the young people growing up that God was wrong when He told us about creation (or He purposely hid the truth in the gap theory or other theories), what is to stop them from abandoning the rest of the Bible as wrong?

Look at Europe for an example of what happens when you unlock that door!

I think you are incorrect in what the Bible puts forth on a number of fronts...

1. The Bible is not a science book, and as such it is not trying to give scientific descriptions of what happened. If I were to say that the sun rises in the east and someone else goes into great detail about the rotation of the earth in relation to the sun, would you tell me that I am wrong in what I said about the sun?

2. In Gen 1:1 when it says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth", I take that to mean that everything that was created was created at that point. You will notice that Gen 1:16 does not say "and then God made two great lights", it just said that God made them, it does not tell us when they were made.

Look at it this way. Let