Star of David

[mobile21]

The Christian cross symbol has been in use in the pagan system of the occultic practices as long if not longer than the Star of David.

[Guest shiloh357]

the cross in christianity is not used as an esoterical symbol valid by itself, it's used as a reminder of the life-long sacrifice we have to do as Christ's followers:

Mobile, you need to study ancient history a whole lot better. Furthermore, the cross is used in black majic and in many modern satanic rituals as well. You are just soooooo misinformed and ignorant of the facts.

[nebula]

Food for thought.

The LORD never told the Jews to worship in synygogues on the Sabbath, either. The Sabbath was meant for a day of rest. But, during the captivity, since they were separated from the Temple, the children of Israel needed a means to keep the LORD's covenant with them. And so, the synygogues were developed as a means to preserve their faith and their heritage. I am guessing the Sabbath was the most convenient day to do so, considering the circumstances.

So, how does this relate? Basically, as I read the accounts of the history of the development of the Star of David, the Jews were basically required to identify themselves with a symbol from "the nations in which they had been scattered." For whatever reason (reports seem to be conflicting), the six-sided or six-pointed fugure was a symbol that unnoficially had been associated with the Jews (by others?) and so the Jews adopted a six-pointed star.

Whether this developed out of evil or not, I have no means to say. What a six-pointed star meant to people centuries ago has no meaning to me.

I only know that it is the symbol carried by the Jewish people, and they aren't using it for demons.

Considering things, I find it more beneficial to do what you can to win the sould of the Jewish people over to jesus as their Messiah than to worry about their need to change their symbol. If, having received Christ, the Holy Spirit convicts them to remove the Star of David as a symbol, then great. If not, then don't worry about it.

There really are more important fish to fry.

[nebula]

the cross in christianity is not used as an esoterical symbol valid by itself, it's used as a reminder of the life-long sacrifice we have to do as Christ's followers:

Matt 10:38 And he that taketh not up his cross, and followeth me, is not worthy of me.

I've heard the cross was first used by Constantine as a means of obtaining victory over his enemies in bloody warfare.

Have you heard differently?

[Guest olivetree]

Too much is being made about the star of David.This is the symbol that the nation of Israel has chosen for their flag and that's fine with me. JESUS CHRIST is called the son of David and David called HIM LORD. King David of Israel was one of many types of CHRIST in the Old Covenant.

All of the creation was good in the beginning.Lucifer is the one that takes good and twists it into evil. Symbols [shapes] in of themselfs are not evil but how they are used can be evil.

In Jeremiah chapter 10 he addresses what the pagans are doing with trees[what we would call the Christmas tree] and he makes it clear that the trees are neither good nor evil.

The star of David to me represents the The nation of Israel which is good.

I praise the name of JESUS for adopting me into his family called Israel and grafting me into the cultivated olive tree.

[Guest yod]

the sign of the cross goes all the way back to Tammuz, son of Nimrod, in Babylon. This is where the Phonecians got the letter "T"

I've got a picture of a mogen David from the 4th century synagogue built in Capernahum. As best I can tell, this is the earliest record of it's use in Israel and the Rothchilds weren't around.

I haven't really researched it though...it's just silly.

Symbols speak different things to different people. It is preposterous to say that the Star of David is satanic....or that the cross is. Most people don't think of Satan when they see these images.

[AllforJesustheLord]

oops, I forgot I do have something from graduating from something, I do not wear anymore though, but I know I should throw it away.

You see regardless of the different understandings about symbols, I see in 1 Tim. 2:9-11, and 1 Peter 3:1-6 that Eloheem(God, Allah) does not want us to wear any jewelry. I know the cross has been used as an occult symbol this is another reason why I choose to not have, a cross, or wear a cross, but so is the six pointed star, and the seven pointed star, and the five pointed star, and the shield, the many symbols, and signs which police officers wear in the U.S., I think are all occult symbols, yet if we do not put importance in regular pictures I do not think this opens the door to evil spirits, but if we have jewelry, which goes against Eloheem(God), according to the scriptures, women are not to have jewelry, and also that means men are not to have jewelry. I think if we stay away from the different posible occult symbols we do well, to make sure satan does not have an open road to get into our lives.

[angels4u]

Allfor Jesus,

Did I read that well that you are against women wearing jewelry?

[nebula]

I see in 1 Tim. 2:9-11, and 1 Peter 3:1-6 that Eloheem(God, Allah) does not want us to wear any jewelry.

I do believe you've gone the wrong direction with the meaning of these verses.

1 Timothy 2

9  Likewise, I want (1) women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments,

10  but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness.

11  (2) A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness.

1 Peter 3

1  (1) In the same way, you wives, (2) be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be (3) won without a word by the behavior of their wives,

2  as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior.

3  (4) Your adornment must not be merely external--braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewelry, or putting on dresses;

4  but let it be (5) the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God.

5  For in this way in former times the holy women also, (6) who hoped in God, used to adorn themselves, being submissive to their own husbands;

6  just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, (7) calling him lord, and you have become her children if you do what is right (8) without being frightened by any fear.

I can see why you would think that "women wearing jewelry is evil" from this, as a lot of people have. If you notice the part I bolded, the instruction is not to do away with outer beauty, but not to rely on external beauty, or rather, not let external beauty be the main focus but the inner beauty.

Even the instruction in Timothy is about focus. It is too tempting for women to rely on physical attraction to be attractive to men. Paul is saying women should be attractive by character. Also, the fact that Paul had to mention "dress modestly" indicates that women back then were sressing like the young women are now - seductively. The instruction is to not dress seductively.

I doubt the LORD meant for this to be an order binding us again to rules and regulations of the Law - "do not handle, do not taste, do not touch" - which Paul on many occasions instructed against as well.

By the way, ever read about the description of the Bride of the Lamb?

Rev. 21:9-21

Come here, I will show you the (29) bride, the wife of the Lamb."

10  And (30) he carried me away [2] (31) in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me (32) the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,

11  having (33) the glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very costly stone, as a (34) stone of (35) crystal-clear jasper. . . .

18  The material of the wall was (44) jasper; and the city was (45) pure gold, like clear (46) glass.

19  (47) The foundation stones of the city wall were adorned with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation stone was (48) jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, chalcedony; the fourth, (49) emerald;

20  the fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, (50) sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, topaz; the tenth, chrysoprase; the eleventh, jacinth; the twelfth, amethyst.

21  And the twelve (51) gates were twelve (52) pearls; each one of the gates was a single pearl. And the street of the city was (53) pure gold, like transparent (54) glass.

[AllforJesustheLord]

Which translation are you using with nearly, if it is the New King James Version, there is an addition, which is not in the Greek Byzantine Text. If you are using something other then The Byzantine Text, the minority texts, then you will be lead astray, many of the current translations use the minority texts. Christ said Mark 13:31 Heaven, and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Now if you believe in the minority text, you are believing in texts that were discovered 1800, or later, that means they were lost quite along time. If texts were lost, then they have not been around all the time, and so therefore, they do not meet up to MeSHiaCH(Christ's) standard, of being around all the time.

The six Byzantine texts used to make the KJV, are the scriptures which have been around all the time, why do I know that, because God promised through His Son, His Word would last forever, so we must receive the texts used to make the KJV, the english is not perfect in the KJV, but the Greek is perfect.

Why can I conclude this way, because the texts must be around all the time in succession, in order to keep the teaching Jesus taught, Mark 13:31...but my words shall not pass away.

Not means never will they be lost then found again, because they will always be around.

1 Tim 2:9-15, and 1 Peter 3:1-6 must be obeyed. If they are not obeyed then the person not obeying these scriptures are going against God.