Biblical tongues

[Jeremiah Joel]

I have not read all the post on this subject, but a number of them. So if some of these things were addressed in the way that I will put them forth please forgive me.

People usually ask whether speaking in tongues is either: biblical, for today, or do all speak with tongues.

When the Holy Ghost fell on the day of Pentecost, all that were in the upper room spoke in tongues (Acts 2:4) including Mary the mother of Jesus (Acts 2:13-14).

In Acts 10 & 11 it is clear to Peter, and the Jews that came with Peter to the Gentiles (Cornelius), that the Gentiles had received the Holy Ghost. It was clear to them that the Gentiles received the Holy Ghost, because they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God. This is how they knew that they had the Holy Ghost (Acts 10:44-48) Not only was it clear to the Jews that the Gentiles had received the Holy Ghost, because they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God, but they also had been granted repentance unto life (Acts 11:15-18).

Is it always clear that people spoke with tongues?..No it is not. But it is clear that when not clearly mention, that something notable happened. Whether it is clear or not, does not take away from the fact of what Peter and the Jews that came with him thought and said regarding the Gentiles. What did Peter and the Jews think.

1) That the Gentiles had also received the Holy Ghost just like they did at the beginning (Acts 2:1-4 & Acts 11:15)

2) That this experience was also associated with the Gentiles being granted repentance unto life (Acts 11:18)

The divers kinds of tongues in I Cor 12:28 is just that... multiply tongues. Not to be confused with initially receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost and speaking in another tongue. So when it speaks of "do all speak with tongues?" in I Cor 12:30, it is in reference to divers kinds of tongues (I Cor 12:28). NOT initially receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost where all speak in a tongue that the Holy Ghost gives. Divers kinds of tongues is one of the gifts of the Spirit.

Jeremiah

Edited September 23, 2008 by Jeremiah Joel

[AnotherTraveler]

Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

1 Cor 12:30 (KJV)

Obviously not all speak in tongues.

I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

1 Cor 14:18 (KJV)

Obviously Paul did and he was from Texas.

(the "ye all" part )

[Jeremiah Joel]

Hello Anothertraveler:

This is in part a quote that you had said.

Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

1 Cor 12:30 (KJV)


Obviously not all speak in tongues.

The speaking in tongues in I Corinthians is divers tongues (I Cor 12:10 &28)). Divers is many tongues. In I Cor 12:7-11 it speaks: But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

The gift of prophecy is one of the gifts of the Spirit as with divers kinds of tongues. When a person initially receives the Holy Ghost they speak with tongues as noted in my post # 217, not to be confused with divers kinds of tongues. It is just the same with prophecy. If you are in the body of Christ you have prophesied, but that does not mean that you have the gift of prophecy. What I mean is that the scripture says that: "the testimony of Jesus Chris is the Spirit of prophecy", but does not mean that you have the gift of prophecy. If we are in the body of Christ then we all should have the testimony and thereby have prophesied, but does not mean that we have the gift of prophesy.

Jeremiah

Edited September 25, 2008 by Jeremiah Joel

[Jeremiah Joel]

.... When a person initially receives the Holy Ghost they speak with tongues as noted in my post # 217, not to be confused with divers kinds of tongues. ....Jeremiah

is this to say that one that has never spoken in tongues has never received the Holy Ghost?

and what translation is your passage from? I dont know what "divers kinds of tongues" are and I looked in 6 differnet versions of the Bible and did not find this term.

Hello RunningGator

In this response it is not intended to belittle anyone or put one down. This is simply a response to your question. As noted in my post #217: Peter and the Jews that went to Cornelius's home knew that they had received the Holy Ghost, because they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God. And that it was understood by the Jews that heard of what had happened to Cornelius and his household (speaking in tongues and magnify God) that they had been granted repentance unto life (Acts 11:14-18).

So then yes as on the day of Pentecost all spoke with tongues, the same with the disciples in Acts 19:1-6, all spoke with tongues.

The disciples in Acts 19:1-6 had not received the Holy Ghost. They were not offended by Paul asking the question ("have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed?"), as I hope none here are. When the Holy Ghost fell on them they all spoke with tongues.

As I mention in my post # 217: Just because it may not be mention clearly whether people spoke with tongues at every encounter with the Apostles, does not take away from the fact that: it was know to the Jews and Peter (regarding Cornelius) that they knew that they had been granted repentance unto life because they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God (Acts 11:14-18).

The bible that I am using is the KJV and the interlinear.

So then; Just as all in the body of Christ prophecy, does not mean they all have the gift of prophesy. The same also that all that have received the Holy Ghost speak with tongues, does not mean that they have the gift of divers kinds of tongues.

Jeremiah

[OneLight]

Blessings RunningGator!

As scripture tells us in Titus 1:9, "holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict." If one is taught that the gift of tongues is not for today, they will hold fast to that teaching. What I disagree with is that some will say that you are not saved until you speak in tongues. I disagree wholeheartedly, even though I believe in all the gifts.

As I see it, not using the gifts is like having a souped up car capable of flying, but only driving 30 mph. It is not the cars fault one does not use it to it's potential, but the driver.

[Floatingaxe]

Hello Anothertraveler:

This is in part a quote that you had said.

Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

1 Cor 12:30 (KJV)


Obviously not all speak in tongues.

The speaking in tongues in I Corinthians is divers tongues (I Cor 12:10 &28)). Divers is many tongues. In I Cor 12:7-11 it speaks: But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

The gift of prophecy is one of the gifts of the Spirit as with divers kinds of tongues. When a person initially receives the Holy Ghost they speak with tongues as noted in my post # 217, not to be confused with divers kinds of tongues. It is just the same with prophecy. If you are in the body of Christ you have prophesied, but that does not mean that you have the gift of prophecy. What I mean is that the scripture says that: "the testimony of Jesus Chris is the Spirit of prophecy", but does not mean that you have the gift of prophecy. If we are in the body of Christ then we all should have the testimony and thereby have prophesied, but does not mean that we have the gift of prophesy.

Jeremiah

[Floatingaxe]

.... When a person initially receives the Holy Ghost they speak with tongues as noted in my post # 217, not to be confused with divers kinds of tongues. ....Jeremiah

is this to say that one that has never spoken in tongues has never received the Holy Ghost?

and what translation is your passage from? I dont know what "divers kinds of tongues" are and I looked in 6 differnet versions of the Bible and did not find this term.

It means that of you have received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, you have the ability to speak in tongues. whether you allow it in your life is another matter. You have it. You should use it.

[Floatingaxe]

.... When a person initially receives the Holy Ghost they speak with tongues as noted in my post # 217, not to be confused with divers kinds of tongues. ....Jeremiah

is this to say that one that has never spoken in tongues has never received the Holy Ghost?

and what translation is your passage from? I dont know what "divers kinds of tongues" are and I looked in 6 differnet versions of the Bible and did not find this term.

It means that of you have received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, you have the ability to speak in tongues. whether you allow it in your life is another matter. You have it. You should use it.

thank you for your input, but it seems clear that you do not know what "divers" means. and no, I dont have the gift of tongues and you are in no position to tell me otherwise.

I know what it means. I answered one of your points. it means, "various".

Anyone who is filled with the Holy Spirit in His baptism has the gift of tongues already. All one has to do is use it.

[OneLight]

My sticking point is that there is some sort of version of tongues that is for everyone and a different version of tongues that is the "gift". I don

[Floatingaxe]

I know what it means. I answered one of your points. it means various.

Anyone who is filled with the Holy Spirit in His baptism has the gift of tongues already. All one has to do is use it.

that sounds great, but it is not biblical.

there is no gift outside of salvation that everyone has.

this is cleary stated in the Bible.

1 Cor. 12:7-11