Biblical tongues

[ColleenLovesMischief]

I know what it means. I answered one of your points. it means various.

Anyone who is filled with the Holy Spirit in His baptism has the gift of tongues already. All one has to do is use it.

that sounds great, but it is not biblical.

there is no gift outside of salvation that everyone has.

this is cleary stated in the Bible.

1 Cor. 12:7-11

[Floatingaxe]

My sticking point is that there is some sort of version of tongues that is for everyone and a different version of tongues that is the "gift". I don

[Floatingaxe]

Ministry tongues is not for everyone, but the prayer language is:

Mark 16:17

These miraculous signs will accompany those who believe: They will cast out demons in my name, and they will speak in new languages.

Mark 16:17 has nothing to do with prayer. This is a case of something being added to the Word that is not there in a plain reading of the Bible

and you left off verse 18 for some reason...18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well."

As I speak in another language not known to me, uttered by the Holy Spirit, it is indeed a sign of a believer.

I left of verse 18 because it had NOTHING to do with the subject at hand...

Being nit-picky is annoying.

[irishcowboy]

are we to take a cup of arsnic and drink it? or play with snakes so that we get bit????

no, i do not think so..... I have handled snakes, some venemous others not. the only one which ever bit me was nonvenemous. does that mean i am a Christian cause i came to no harm from a snake bite? no, I know many people that handle them, one has been bit a number of times by rattlesnakes, is not a Christian, and has had no harm come to him.

Tongues is a sign of being filled with the Spirit, (as the Spirit sees fit) so is healing and prophecy and and and , all through the Gifts.... Paul even says that he prays in the Spirit, are we going to discount that as well?

anyways, i am tired and i forgot everything I was going to say.... oh well.. nite all

[Floatingaxe]

As I speak in another language not known to me, uttered by the Holy Spirit, it is indeed a sign of a believer.

I left of verse 18 because it had NOTHING to do with the subject at hand...

Being nit-picky is annoying.

yes, it is a sign of a believer, it is not the sign for every believer

Verse 18 has everything to do with the subject at hand...vs 17 starts the list of miraculous signs, vs 18 finishes it. If you are going to use vs 17 as some sort of evidence that every Christian has the gift of tongues, then you also have to agree that every Christian has the gift of healing, drinking poison and being bit by snakes, they are all on the same list as tongues

It is the sign of every believer...if they would only receive it. Yes, we can heal, and be unaffected by drinking poison inadvertently, and also should we be bitten by a snake, we are protected. Yessirree!

[Jeremiah Joel]

Hello RunningGator

In this response it is not intended to belittle anyone or put one down. This is simply a response to your question. As noted in my post #217: Peter and the Jews that went to Cornelius's home knew that they had received the Holy Ghost, because they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God. And that it was understood by the Jews that heard of what had happened to Cornelius and his household (speaking in tongues and magnify God) that they had been granted repentance unto life (Acts 11:14-18).

So then yes as on the day of Pentecost all spoke with tongues, the same with the disciples in Acts 19:1-6, all spoke with tongues.

The disciples in Acts 19:1-6 had not received the Holy Ghost. They were not offended by Paul asking the question ("have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed?"), as I hope none here are. When the Holy Ghost fell on them they all spoke with tongues.

As I mention in my post # 217: Just because it may not be mention clearly whether people spoke with tongues at every encounter with the Apostles, does not take away from the fact that: it was know to the Jews and Peter (regarding Cornelius) that they knew that they had been granted repentance unto life because they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God (Acts 11:14-18).

no offense taken, just trying to get what you are saying.

what then is to be made of a believer that goes 60 years as a Christian and never speaks in tongues?

The bible that I am using is the KJV and the interlinear.

So then; Just as all in the body of Christ prophecy, does not mean they all have the gift of prophesy. The same also that all that have received the Holy Ghost speak with tongues, does not mean that they have the gift of divers kinds of tongues.

Jeremiah

what is a "divers" kind of tongues?

what does "divers" mean?

RunningGator

I did not think that you would have taken offense, as we have talked before... more so for anyone else that may have read the post. But thank you.

In answer to your first question:

what then is to be made of a believer that goes 60 years as a Christian and never speaks in tongues?

I will respond to this with some of the scriptures that I have used before. What happened when the Apostle Peter rehearsed the happenings at the Gentiles (Cornelius's home)? I will post this reference again for ease of use: Acts 11:13-18 And he (meaning Cornelius) shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter; Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved. And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as [he did] unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life. What happened to the Gentiles? They spoke in tongues and magnify God (Acts 10:44-48). Also note that they were commanded (ordered) to be baptized in the name of the Lord (Jesus). The same thing that happened to the 120 in the upper room at the day of Pentecost. How the Jews new that the Gentiles had been granted repentance unto life is that they heard them speaking in tongues and magnify God. The disciples at Ephesus were believers within the knowledge that they had of John's baptism. Paul preached Christ unto them, re-baptized them in the name of Jesus, and they also received the gift of the Holy Ghost, speaking in another tongue. So the man that has been been a believer for sixty years has believed in another gospel/Word that Peter or Paul did not preach. Jesus being the Word of God. When a person believes on Jesus, it means of course that they believe in what is being preached. Your secound question is:

what is a "divers" kind of tongues?


what does "divers" mean?

Simply said it means many/multiple.

Many confuse what is written in I Cor 12:10 & 28, as the same thing as a person speaking with another when they recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost. Divers kinds of tongues is one of the gifts of the Spirit. But all speak in another tongue when they recieve the Holy Ghost as noted in Acts 2:4 and also the reference in Acts 19:1-6.

If anyone would be interested in looking at the other posts that I have made regarding this subject, you may find that in posts # 217 & 219. They amy be a little more in detail, using the basic same scriptures that I have used here.

Jeremiah

I will most likely not be on the internet for the next few days. So incase there are any replies to these things you would understand.

[Floatingaxe]

As I speak in another language not known to me, uttered by the Holy Spirit, it is indeed a sign of a believer.

I left of verse 18 because it had NOTHING to do with the subject at hand...

Being nit-picky is annoying.

yes, it is a sign of a believer, it is not the sign for every believer

Verse 18 has everything to do with the subject at hand...vs 17 starts the list of miraculous signs, vs 18 finishes it. If you are going to use vs 17 as some sort of evidence that every Christian has the gift of tongues, then you also have to agree that every Christian has the gift of healing, drinking poison and being bit by snakes, they are all on the same list as tongues

It is the sign of every believer...if they would only receive it. Yes, we can heal, and be unaffected by drinking poison inadvertently, and also should we be bitten by a snake, we are protected. Yessirree!

sounds great, too bad it is not in the Bible

It is the Word of God. You are denying it.

[Floatingaxe]

It is the Word of God. You are denying it.

Then he must have given it to you by special revelation because it is NOT in the BIBLE, and that is a FACT

It is given to you in the Word. We have posted it. That's a fact.

Why get so worked up over this? No one is questioning your salvation. This is a gift given to us for edification, for power in prayer, and more intimacy with the Father. Not using it doesn't mean you cannot have any of those things by other means. It is just one of many wonderful things God gives. Poo-pooing it hurts Him and yourself.

If you don't desire it, then let it go, and allow your brethren to exercise their freedom in that area, and move on.

[ColleenLovesMischief]

1 Corinthians 12:30 (New King James Version)

30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?

Ummmm let me answer this myself.....uhhhhhh I would say uhhhh..................

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And yes I am a firm believer in tongues, but it is clearly stated not everyone does.

1 Corinthians 14:5 (New King James Version)

5 I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for[a] he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.

[Floatingaxe]

What are the signs that follow believers? What signs follow you?