Biblical tongues

[Jeremiah Joel]

Well I do not understand. What is difficult to understand, that the Apostle Peter and the Jews new that the Gentiles had been granted repentance unto life, because they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.

This is how they new God had given them life, by them speaking in another tongue and magnifying God.

Divers kinds of tongues is many tongues given to a believer as one of the gifts of the Spirit, not the same as speaking in another tongue when you initially receive the Holy Ghost.

Just as all prophecy when they testify of the works of God; for the testimony of Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy. That does not mean that they the gift of being a prophet, which is also one of the gifts of the Spirit.

I guess this may be the end of this, unless???

Jeremiah

[AnotherTraveler]

Well I do not understand. What is difficult to understand, that the Apostle Peter and the Jews new that the Gentiles had been granted repentance unto life, because they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.

This is how they new God had given them life, by them speaking in another tongue and magnifying God.

Yes, it is how they knew, but it is not the only way to know.

Was Stephen a believer? Do we know that because of his speaking in tongues or by his actions? To me the fruit of one’s lives is how we know that a person is a believer.

It is not the only way to show that you are a believer. I should also point out that there such things as false tongues, so speaking in tongues does not make one a believer.

Divers kinds of tongues is many tongues given to a believer as one of the gifts of the Spirit, not the same as speaking in another tongue when you initially receive the Holy Ghost.

The Bible does not make a distinction between the two; his is a man made distinction.

I guess this may be the end of this, unless???

Jeremiah

Taking into account you say that I am following a false Gospel since I don’t speak in tongues, there really is not much else to be said

Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

1 Cor 12:30 (KJV)

Obviously not all speak in tongues.

I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

1 Cor 14:18 (KJV)

False gospel since you don't speak in tongues? That is very wrong.

[AnotherTraveler]

It is the Word of God. You are denying it.

Then he must have given it to you by special revelation because it is NOT in the BIBLE, and that is a FACT

It is given to you in the Word. We have posted it. That's a fact.

Why get so worked up over this? No one is questioning your salvation. This is a gift given to us for edification, for power in prayer, and more intimacy with the Father. Not using it doesn't mean you cannot have any of those things by other means. It is just one of many wonderful things God gives. Poo-pooing it hurts Him and yourself.

If you don't desire it, then let it go, and allow your brethren to exercise their freedom in that area, and move on.

Again, I don't question your salvation. There is only one true gospel, and if someone believes, they believe. Gifts are handed out by the Giftgiver (God), and He gives what He wants to whom He wants, and salvation is not the same as having this or that gift.

Personally, I prefer to be around someone that has the gift of faith, makes everything much easier in ministry.

[Jeremiah Joel]

Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

1 Cor 12:30 (KJV)

Obviously not all speak in tongues.

I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

1 Cor 14:18 (KJV)

it seems to some there are different "versions" of tongues

False gospel since you don't speak in tongues? That is very wrong.

This is what was said about a believer that was saved for 60 years and didnt speak in tongues, tell me if I took it wrong....

So the man that has been been a believer for sixty years has believed in another gospel/Word that Peter or Paul did not preach. Jesus being the Word of God. When a person believes on Jesus, it means of course that they believe in what is being preached.

There is only one Gospel, so if a person has believed in another gospel, that Gospel has to be a false one. Or am I off base here?

This may seem at first as a long answer, but there is a point. Which I hope I can make clear. At which point I will restate your question.

I would not say that God has not done things by you, or spoken to you. It may be more like Acts 18:24-28, the story of Apollos. This was a man mighty in the scriptures, yet there was a more perfect way. Though it does not say what was said to Apollos, it does say that he new only the baptism of John.

We can see in Acts 19:1-7 a similar situation with the disciples at Ephesus. The disciples at Ephesus only knew the baptism of John just like Apollos. I can then know for certainty that Apollos would have also been re-baptized in the name of Jesus, just as the disciples at Ephesus were. I would also know that Apollos also would have received the Holy Ghost as the disciples at Ephesus did.

Note:When the question was asked if they had the Holy Ghost in Acts 19:1-7, and they in essence said no, it raised the question how they were baptized. The knowledge of baptism is directly tied into receiving the Holy Ghost.

So then,your question was:

There is only one Gospel, so if a person has believed in another gospel, that Gospel has to be a false one.  Or am I off base here?

The things that you or anyone else knows about the scriptures can be fine. But there may come a point that there is a more excellent/perfect way. If at that point were the more perfect way is rejected, then what would a person be following... truth or error, the true gospel or false. Both of us cannot be right at the same time regarding this subject, which I know that you would agree.

Following another Jesus or another gospel is simply believing another message other than the Apostles were preaching/teaching.

I surely hope that I have been able to put this in a understandable way, and have answered your question.

For a little side note: I know that I have said this several times before, but what do you say? The house of Cornelius had Peter preach to them to tell them words how to be saved(Acts 11:14). What happened to that house?... they spoke in tongues and magnify God, that is how they knew they had been granted repentance unto life (Acts 11:15-18). Words are very important as I know you understand, or we would not be having this conversation.

I really have enjoyed this talk with you.

Jeremiah

Edited September 26, 2008 by Jeremiah Joel

[Jeremiah Joel]

I will be taking off for the weekend, and most likely will not be responding maybe until Sunday.

Peace in Christ.

Jeremiah

[ColleenLovesMischief]

wouldn't evidence of the Spirit be noticed by fruit of the Spirit?

[ColleenLovesMischief]

Ok I gotta ask it.....are those who are mute expected to speak in tongues as well?

[AnotherTraveler]

Well I do not understand. What is difficult to understand, that the Apostle Peter and the Jews new that the Gentiles had been granted repentance unto life, because they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.

This is how they new God had given them life, by them speaking in another tongue and magnifying God.

Divers kinds of tongues is many tongues given to a believer as one of the gifts of the Spirit, not the same as speaking in another tongue when you initially receive the Holy Ghost.

Just as all prophecy when they testify of the works of God; for the testimony of Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy. That does not mean that they the gift of being a prophet, which is also one of the gifts of the Spirit.

I guess this may be the end of this, unless???

Jeremiah

AND MAGNIFY GOD

Were the ones that were magnifing God also saved? We are allowing that the ones that spoke in tongues were.

[ColleenLovesMischief]

Ok I gotta ask it.....are those who are mute expected to speak in tongues as well?

Do mutes pray?

I know several that do. Sometimes with sign language, and sometimes within their hearts and minds.

[ColleenLovesMischief]

Ok I gotta ask it.....are those who are mute expected to speak in tongues as well?

Do mutes pray?

I know several that do. Sometimes with sign language, and sometimes within their hearts and minds.

Well if they can pray in their own ''tongue'' who is to say they cannot pray in other tongues?

Oh my...I can't believe that I just read that one. Well if you are using the tongues example as evidence then is that evidence to you?