Biblical tongues

[Grace1479]

Gracey, my sis

You have a gift of speaking directly into people's hearts with your warmth and tenderheartedness. That is a blessing in itself!

Love ya sis

Esther

Thanks sis

Love you so much

[Ovedya]

...It makes no difference whether the word used is "though" or "if" or even "in case", it still points to the same thing. Paul did speak in tongues of men and angels, otherwise, Paul would never of said in 1 Corinthians 14:2 "For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries." and in verse 18 "I thank my God I speak with tongues more than you all".

Well first, neither of those verses point to Paul's speaking in tongues of an angel. That is a presumption that you are bringing into the verses. Simply because Paul wrote "for no one understands" does not mean that it is a language that is completely foreign to human beings. It simply means that no one around that person understands the language he's speaking. Remember the context he is using is in the church - in the meetings of the church Second, 1 Cor. 14 speaks against tongues in the church in favor of prophesying. Nowhere in this chapter, or in any other passage eof Scripture does Paul deal with speaking in the tongues of angels. In fact, given the previous evidence I submitted, there really is no clear evidence that Paul ever spoke in the tongue of an angel. There's really no evidence from Scripture that angels speak a different language than humans.

As for studying scripture about the gifts, I have done that for many years now. In my studies, I have found three different uses with tongues. First, there are tongues of other worldly languages, as in Acts 2, for the unbelievers. Then there are tongues for the church, as in 1 Corinthians 12, which is meant to edify the body.

These are both native earthly tongues, however. They are not different.

Lastly, there is the language that is used when the Holy Spirit prays for us when we do not know what to pray for, as we read in Romans 8:26, which is to edify the believer, between God and the one praying. The first two are meant to be spoken loudly for all to hear. The last is to be privately spoken, which is why it is said to be like moaning. Reference to this is 215 in the concordance, which describes it as being like groaning which are not capable of being adequately expressed in words.

I'm sorry, I just don't see the groaning of Roman's 8:26 to be at all comparable with what people purport to be a "heavenly language." If the Scriptures say "groanings" than it must literally mean "groanings." In fact, that word in the Greek, "stenagmos" means "to groan or sigh." Strong's definition for "alalētos" (215) indicates a sound, a groan, or even a soft whisper, which in no way compares with what people call "angelic" or "heavenly language." Besides, according to the verse itself, that groaning is the Spirit's intercession, it is the Spirit's praying, not us. It says, "...but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."

[Ovedya]

You are speaking directly to God by the Holy Spirit without Satan being able to understand it.

I have trouble with this one. If praying in tongues is speaking the tongues of angels, how can Satan not understand it?

Satan is an angel.

[Guest Aussielady]

You are speaking directly to God by the Holy Spirit without Satan being able to understand it.

I have trouble with this one. If praying in tongues is speaking the tongues of angels, how can Satan not understand it?

Satan is an angel.

Have taken it out ovedya. I meant that you are speaking directly to God not man.

[Floatingaxe]

There simply is no Scriptural support for such a practice or belief.

That's just not true. Scripture is plain about the fact that we as believers are known for just such an expression of the Holy Spirit in us.

Mark 16:17

And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues;

[OneLight]

I have stated my beliefs and stand by them. Since the division of the church, each has their own understanding according to their faith. I will leave my words to speak for my faith. I have no more to add.

God Bless,

OenLight

[Ovedya]

You are speaking directly to God by the Holy Spirit without Satan being able to understand it.

I have trouble with this one. If praying in tongues is speaking the tongues of angels, how can Satan not understand it?

Satan is an angel.

Have taken it out ovedya. I meant that you are speaking directly to God not man.

Aren't all forms of prayer talking to God, though?

[Ovedya]

There simply is no Scriptural support for such a practice or belief.

That's just not true. Scripture is plain about the fact that we as believers are known for just such an expression of the Holy Spirit in us.

Mark 16:17

And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues;

Let me clarify: There is no Scriptural support for the practice or belief of speaking in the tongues of angels. Especially not in the manner by which many of the charismatic groups do it today. "New tongues" in that verse could simply mean "A tongue that they do not speak."

[nebula]

Well first, neither of those verses point to Paul's speaking in tongues of an angel. That is a presumption that you are bringing into the verses. Simply because Paul wrote "for no one understands" does not mean that it is a language that is completely foreign to human beings. It simply means that no one around that person understands the language he's speaking. Remember the context he is using is in the church - in the meetings of the church Second, 1 Cor. 14 speaks against tongues in the church in favor of prophesying. Nowhere in this chapter, or in any other passage eof Scripture does Paul deal with speaking in the tongues of angels. In fact, given the previous evidence I submitted, there really is no clear evidence that Paul ever spoke in the tongue of an angel. There's really no evidence from Scripture that angels speak a different language than humans.

Well, Scripture doesn't actually state what language the angels speak in. For all we know, their "native" language is the original language, that spoken by Adam and Eve, but which, I am sure, no longer exists on this planet! For all we know, God created a unique language for them. Or perhaps they speak to each other in what we would call telepathy.

Honestly, trying to create a doctrine over what language the angels do or do not use is pretty fruitless, don't you think? And really, it isn't going to effect my beliefs one way or the other what actual language(s) I speak.

And who says God cannot give someone a dead language? A new language? A future language?

Why put constraints on God like this?

Why not just enjoy His creativity and humor? Why try to put the gift in some kind of theological box? He never liked those boxes anyway.

[Floatingaxe]

Well first, neither of those verses point to Paul's speaking in tongues of an angel. That is a presumption that you are bringing into the verses. Simply because Paul wrote "for no one understands" does not mean that it is a language that is completely foreign to human beings. It simply means that no one around that person understands the language he's speaking. Remember the context he is using is in the church - in the meetings of the church Second, 1 Cor. 14 speaks against tongues in the church in favor of prophesying. Nowhere in this chapter, or in any other passage eof Scripture does Paul deal with speaking in the tongues of angels. In fact, given the previous evidence I submitted, there really is no clear evidence that Paul ever spoke in the tongue of an angel. There's really no evidence from Scripture that angels speak a different language than humans.

Well, Scripture doesn't actually state what language the angels speak in. For all we know, their "native" language is the original language, that spoken by Adam and Eve, but which, I am sure, no longer exists on this planet! For all we know, God created a unique language for them. Or perhaps they speak to each other in what we would call telepathy.

Honestly, trying to create a doctrine over what language the angels do or do not use is pretty fruitless, don't you think? And really, it isn't going to effect my beliefs one way or the other what actual language(s) I speak.

And who says God cannot give someone a dead language? A new language? A future language?

Why put constraints on God like this?

Why not just enjoy His creativity and humor? Why try to put the gift in some kind of theological box? He never liked those boxes anyway.

Amen, sis! I really don't know what language God has given me. Someday I will know, but until that Day comes, I leave that knowledge to God!