Sinlessness

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Called

I have not said I never sin, but I have said that I believe we can get to a point in our spiritual walk that we won't sin or if we do it will be very rarely(as seen on my above posts).

if we do it will be very rarely ?????

The Question here is not that we can progress to a point where we sin very rarely the question put by diministries is.

Is it possible to live a sinless life while on earth?

diministries supports the YES position that we can cease to sin totally. If you say that you may sin rearly then you cannot support diministires stance. you have to vote No.

So please clarify your stance Do you believe you can cease to sin totally in this life on earth??

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[ted]

Aint no way!

But after reading Cat's posts over again, I can see what she was trying to say now.

t.

[Khristeeanos]

My main point is that with the help of the Holy Spirit, we can become sinless. But yes we need Jesus because acheiving holiness is only possible because of Him.

Nobody here has or will say that we are without sin, because all have sinned.

But we don't have to sin. We only sin because we have evil desires that we give in to.

Remember, the grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness and to live holy lives TODAY.

That is still in the Bible, right?

[keslc]

Also, would you say you NEVER get angry, upset or irritated, despite illness, traffic, or stress?

It depends on whether we're talking about "big sins" like homosexuality, fornication, theft, gossip, murder, et al...

Or...sins of ommission, (where you fail to do all that God calls you to do) or you lose your temper or act unkindly or miss an opportunity to witness, etc.

I just wanted to share something I wrote in a different thread a few weeks ago about this. I know Called said something yesterday about it, but still wanted to share this (had to go find it and couldn't find it until this morning!) Cats, this isn't specifically aimed at you, but just a comment.....

To get back to the thread here, I sense there is a question of what sins are "worse" or if there are "levels" to sin, etc. Well, let me share an illustration (from an evangelistic group "OneTimeBlind") I recently heard that gave me some perspective on this.

there are two piles of "poo" in front of you. One is a little puppy pile and the other is a great big elephant pile. Which pile would you rather rub all over yourself? Both seem just as disgusting and repulsive to me. I would rather have NO part of either pile. It is the same way with sin. Just because it may seem like a "little sin" and the sins Hitler commited are far "bigger" doesn't mean that both are disgusting and repulsive in God's sight. Make sense?

[Catsmeow]

It makes sense but I know the difference between changing an infant's diaper and having to change an adult.

Believe me, the difference is NOTABLE! I've changed adult poopy diapers and babies both. The babies never bothered me. It's what mommies do.

Then, when you take care of your OWN mother and change her diaper, it's considerably harder to endure...trust me.

I can put that in context by saying we have many young (infant) Christians who are just barely crawling. They haven't even begun to walk. They're on milk and still saying the "sinner's prayer" when they hear it on television because they don't really grasp the fullness of their salvation.

I'm married to an "infant" Christian who's still on milk. He still says that "prayer" everytime he hears it and still is terribly "fleshly"....and hasn't shown much growth spiritually.

Point: We're all at different places in our walk and some diapers are easier to change that others.

After a while, one hopes a person goes from milk to meat and matures in their walk. Some, however, never seem to learn to grasp even the basic steps.

It's frustrating, too.

SIN: I don't think most people even begin to grasp the depth of sin; it can be something as simple as missing an opportunity to witness.

I'm guilty. Period. I've missed opportunities for fear of rejection or mocking.

So, I can tell you flat out, I do not LIVE a sinless life because of sins of omission.

If I witnessed to everyone I met, I could perhaps be guiltless. If I never grew impatient or lost my temper, I could say I'm perfect and sinless.

Truth is, the longer I live, the more clearly I perceive my own LACK and I consider myself to be a chief of sinners, saved only by the mercy and grace of our Lord and I am LEARNING to become more like Christ. Still, I fall far from being perfect...and know it.

I feel the opposite of you all...the longer I live, the more keenly aware I am of my flesh nature and the more tender and sensitive I am to everything...including sins of omission and sins of comission.

[Guest Called]

My main point is that with the help of the Holy Spirit, we can become sinless. But yes we need Jesus because acheiving holiness is only possible because of Him.

Nobody here has or will say that we are without sin, because all have sinned.

But we don't have to sin. We only sin because we have evil desires that we give in to.

Remember, the grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness and to live holy lives TODAY

Adstar- I agree with exactly what Dimeministries has said here.

Nice analogy keslc! Kind of gross, but nice!

Debbie

[AllforJesustheLord]

Does anyone see that the 144,000 thousand will be perfect, in Revelation, the scriptures basically say, no bad thing comes out of their mouth, they follow the Lamb whereever He goes, and they are virgins, they have not been defiled with women, meaning they never have relations physically, with any woman, yes they are all men. So we can see there words are perfect, and there actions are perfect, they are the firstfruits of God, they are just like YeHuSHua, they are all of the different tribes of Israel, and they never have a wife, like YeHuSHua never physically had a wife, they are perfect. I would go the the point of saying through YeHuSHua(Jesus), they followed MeSHiaCH their whole lives, meaning they were, will be, and shall forever be sinless, through the MeSHiaCH, through the grace(favor) of ELoHeeM(God, ALLaH, Dios).

Edited May 27, 2004 by AllforJesustheLord

[Guest Called]

Does anyone see that the 144,000 thousand will be perfect, in Revelation, the scriptures basically say, no bad thing comes out of their mouth, they follow the Lamb whereever He goes, and they are virgins, they have not been defiled with women, meaning they never have relations physically, with any woman, yes they are all men. So we can see there words are perfect, and there actions are perfect, they are the firstfruits of God, they are just like YeHuSHua, they are all of the different tribes of Israel, and they never have a wife, like YeHuSHua never physically had a wife, they are perfect. I would go the the point of saying through YeHuSHua(Jesus), they followed MeSHiaCH their whole lives, meaning they were, will be, and shall forever be sinless, through the MeSHiaCH, through the grace(favor) of ELoHeeM(God, ALLaH, Dios).

Very, Very Interesting!

[Catsmeow]

Whoa...wait a minute. Are you implying that the saved multitudes are only guys...and we women aren't going to heaven because of our gender?

Explain please? Sorry, I'm not quite getting what you're saying.

[His son]

Christ has answered this question for us all for all time. He tells us that we will do all things He did. He tells The Father that in the same way He was sent so has He sent us. He told us that we would be made perfect in one with Him, and The Father so that the world will know that they are loved. This is all part of our salvation process, and if we don't believe it possible it will not happen for us. If on the other hand we believe it because He said it, and choose to allow The Holy Spirit to do His work in us, He will put The mind of Christ in us, create a right spirit within us, and transform us into the exact image of Christ while He was here, we will be filled with The Fulness Of The Godhead bodily, and be the new creatures that He intends us to be.