Bush Orders Military to Deliver Aid to Georgia

[MorningGlory]

Much of what you just said about Russia could be said of the US as well.

I really hate to point fingers at the people. It's the governments, theirs and ours, that are corrupt and power hungry. Perhaps you can point out a single instance that the U.S. has taken military action against a neighbor state for having relations with one of it's enemies. Russia and Cuba have been discussing similar military coops but do you see the U.S. invading? It's hardly fair to compare them when you consider all the good the U.S. has done, yes even for Russia. Europe would not be the same place had the U.S. dicided to focus it's energy on Japan and ignored what was going on in Europe. South Korea would be part of a communist regime now. If there is ANY country in the world that deserves the benfit of the doubt, it's the U.S. Consider the advantage we have over Mexico and Canada, Do you believe the U.S. is manipulating them and intimidating them? How about Cuba and Venezuela? Are they somehow beholden to the U.S.? You don't see separatists from the U.S. trying to claim parts of Canada do you? Lets try not to generalise. The U.S. is still a democracy and the people still have a degree of power without having to use force. The Russian citizens do not.

[David of Derby]

Are you calling the United States a bully??

The US regularly uses its military and political clout to push other countries around. The US insists on trying to lead NATO and generally run the "free world" when no other country wants their interference. Europe got along just fine without the US for thousands of years and if the Second World War didn't go so well, it was hardly down to the US' actions that Europe wasn't under the Nazi jackboot. The UK fought for the safety of Europe long before the US could be bothered to think of anyone but themselves.

More recently, what has the US done that's really positive? Massively unpopular and largely unsuccessful military actions in the Middle East that have served to intesify anti-American feeling there, dragging much of NATO into the crapped along with you? Tipping Saddam out of Iraq and the Taliban out of Afghanistan were good things but look at the results. Iraq in a civil war and Afghanistan a constant warzone for approaching a decade. Yes, the US is a bully when it suits it. You think the run whole (edit) planet and when another country tells you to (edit) you think it's against the will of God or something.

As for why Europe isn't fighting for Georgia? Why should we? Georgia isn't in the EU, isn't in NATO and if the Russians taking the pipelines there isn't in our interests, a war with Russia isn't either.

Edited August 18, 2008 by IslandRose

[nebula]

As for why Europe isn't fighting for Georgia? Why should we? Georgia isn't in the EU, isn't in NATO and if the Russians taking the pipelines there isn't in our interests, a war with Russia isn't either.

The reports I read state that those pipelines feed Europe.

[Guest shiloh357]

Are you calling the United States a bully??

The US regularly uses its military and political clout to push other countries around. The US insists on trying to lead NATO and generally run the "free world" when no other country wants their interference. Europe got along just fine without the US for thousands of years and if the Second World War didn't go so well, it was hardly down to the US' actions that Europe wasn't under the Nazi jackboot. The UK fought for the safety of Europe long before the US could be bothered to think of anyone but themselves.

The UK was fighting for the safety of the UK. the UK was in on the agreement to sacrifice the Checzs to Nazis.

If it wasn't for the US, you Brits would be speaking German and wearing Swasitikas. Had Europe put an end to Hitler when he was all blow, world history would have been a lot different. But thanks European cowardice and appeasement, alot of people had to die to stop Hitler's war machine, 400 thousand of them were Americans who died not only for our interests but to pull your fat out of the fire.

Maybe we made a mistake. Maybe we should just handed you over to Hitler on a sivler platter.

[Gerioke]

Are you calling the United States a bully??

The US regularly uses its military and political clout to push other countries around. The US insists on trying to lead NATO and generally run the "free world" when no other country wants their interference. Europe got along just fine without the US for thousands of years and if the Second World War didn't go so well, it was hardly down to the US' actions that Europe wasn't under the Nazi jackboot. The UK fought for the safety of Europe long before the US could be bothered to think of anyone but themselves.

The UK was fighting for the safety of the UK. the UK was in on the agreement to sacrifice the Checzs to Nazis.

If it wasn't for the US, you Brits would be speaking German and wearing Swasitikas. Had Europe put an end to Hitler when he was all blow, world history would have been a lot different. But thanks European cowardice and appeasement, alot of people had to die to stop Hitler's war machine, 400 thousand of them were Americans who died not only for our interests but to pull your fat out of the fire.

Maybe we made a mistake. Maybe we should just handed you over to Hitler on a sivler platter.

Ahem

The Canadian ground troops played a major role in thwarting the nazi invasions.

Just for the record.

[MorningGlory]

Are you calling the United States a bully??

The US regularly uses its military and political clout to push other countries around. The US insists on trying to lead NATO and generally run the "free world" when no other country wants their interference. Europe got along just fine without the US for thousands of years and if the Second World War didn't go so well, it was hardly down to the US' actions that Europe wasn't under the Nazi jackboot. The UK fought for the safety of Europe long before the US could be bothered to think of anyone but themselves.

More recently, what has the US done that's really positive? Massively unpopular and largely unsuccessful military actions in the Middle East that have served to intesify anti-American feeling there, dragging much of NATO into the crapped along with you? Tipping Saddam out of Iraq and the Taliban out of Afghanistan were good things but look at the results. Iraq in a civil war and Afghanistan a constant warzone for approaching a decade. Yes, the US is a bully when it suits it. You think the run whole damn planet and when another country tells you to go to Hell you think it's against the will of God or something.

As for why Europe isn't fighting for Georgia? Why should we? Georgia isn't in the EU, isn't in NATO and if the Russians taking the pipelines there isn't in our interests, a war with Russia isn't either.

You have a very feeble grasp of history, David, if you believe any of that. I do believe the U.S. was asked to enter WWII by Mr.Churchill; since we were already fighting a war with Japan. It must have been the 'thinking only of themselves' that prompted my parents' generation to rebuild Europe as well. Americans don't think we run planet, really; it's just that no other country will step up and do the dirty work. Your rabid anti-Americanism is showing, my friend. Are you really from Derby....or Paris??

[David of Derby]

Good Lord, you people are deluded. The US didn't save Europe from the Nazis, Hitler shot himself in the foot by invading the Soviet Union. The US joined the war on our side when Germany declared war on you/ Get a (edit) clue, you arrogant yanks. You didn't save anybody, you stayed out of the war until it was shoved down your throats and then you claimed to ride to the rescue and save everyone. Makes us all sick.

You don't have to be French to see what the US is, everyone else on the planet knows it. You don't do the "dirty work," you serve your own interests and pretend you're fostering democracy and helping others when all you want is control.

Edited August 18, 2008 by IslandRose

[Guest shiloh357]

Good Lord, you people are deluded. The US didn't save Europe from the Nazis, Hitler shot himself in the foot by invading the Soviet Union. The US joined the war on our side when Germany declared war on you/ Get a bleedin' clue, you arrogant yanks. You didn't save anybody, you stayed out of the war until it was shoved down your throats and then you claimed to ride to the rescue and save everyone. Makes us all sick.

You don't have to be French to see what the US is, everyone else on the planet knows it. You don't do the "dirty work," you serve your own interests and pretend you're fostering democracy and helping others when all you want is control.

Actually, we had American pilots flying in British squadrons well before our entrance into WWII. If we wanted control, we would not have helped tp rebuild Europe after WWII and Germany would be now be the 51st state. Unlike others, the US has never been into empire building.

[MorningGlory]

Are you calling the United States a bully??

The US regularly uses its military and political clout to push other countries around. The US insists on trying to lead NATO and generally run the "free world" when no other country wants their interference. Europe got along just fine without the US for thousands of years and if the Second World War didn't go so well, it was hardly down to the US' actions that Europe wasn't under the Nazi jackboot. The UK fought for the safety of Europe long before the US could be bothered to think of anyone but themselves.

The UK was fighting for the safety of the UK. the UK was in on the agreement to sacrifice the Checzs to Nazis.

If it wasn't for the US, you Brits would be speaking German and wearing Swasitikas. Had Europe put an end to Hitler when he was all blow, world history would have been a lot different. But thanks European cowardice and appeasement, alot of people had to die to stop Hitler's war machine, 400 thousand of them were Americans who died not only for our interests but to pull your fat out of the fire.

Maybe we made a mistake. Maybe we should just handed you over to Hitler on a sivler platter.

Ahem

The Canadian ground troops played a major role in thwarting the nazi invasions.

Just for the record.

Yes, they did, and the British as well. There's no need to get into a 'country bash' here. All Allied countries can claim victory over the Nazis and all suffered tremendous losses.

[MorningGlory]

Good Lord, you people are deluded. The US didn't save Europe from the Nazis, Hitler shot himself in the foot by invading the Soviet Union. The US joined the war on our side when Germany declared war on you/ Get a (edit) clue, you arrogant yanks. You didn't save anybody, you stayed out of the war until it was shoved down your throats and then you claimed to ride to the rescue and save everyone. Makes us all sick.

You don't have to be French to see what the US is, everyone else on the planet knows it. You don't do the "dirty work," you serve your own interests and pretend you're fostering democracy and helping others when all you want is control.

You really need to calm down, David, and not disrespect an entire country. Of course we serve our interests, just as the U.K. does and pretty much everyone else on the planet as well. If all we wanted was control.....we would have kept all that real estate our soldiers have marched through. Not practical to do so. Sorry that the U.S. makes you sick....you probably should go recover somewhere. This is a Christian board....not a forum for the Anti-American crowd.