Lawsuit filed against sheriff for SWAT team raid of Amish

[AnotherTraveler]

The use of deadly force to extract two minor children involved in a custody fight (civil court, not criminal court) is overkill certainly, especially considering the peaceful committments of the Amish themselves. Consider it the other way though...

What if the sheriff shows up casually, no backup, and they refuse to give him the kids? Then you could increase the power to support the authority. In this case, it's like hanging a picture on the wall but driving the nail in with a sledge hammer.

However, it is wise to expect resistance and foolish to assume cooperation in domestic issues, and as was pointed out, after work law enforcement folks like to go home healthy also.

As for $35 million dollars, that's pretty hefty for chosing to be overprepared, and in that no one was mishandled or shot, I doubt that the emotional pain and suffering is worth much more than an ice cream cone for the kids involved.

[Guest Biblicist]

In this instance, possibly, the police overreacted.

However, the Amish are not as peaceful and harmless as some would like to believe. They are humans, sinners, just like the rest of us.

Bucks, you forgot Yoder.

I don't get it!

Who is Yoder?

Most Amish people go by the surname Yoder...

[buckthesystem]

Since BTS has the habit of posting the most biased and vague version of stories...allow me to set the record straight.

The Sheriff had a legal court order to obtain custody of two children. The Sheriff escorted a child services detective to the Amish community to fulfill the court order. When the Amish found out that the Sheriff would be coming to take the two children they said they would shoot anybody that came to take the kids.

The Sheriff brought along a SWAT team, and some tactical equipment just in case things went bad. The Sheriff, by himself, escorted the child services detective to the schoolhouse. When he knocked on the door the school teacheer began screaming, "They're here! They're going to kill the kids!" The Sheriff tried to give the teacher the court order but she threw it down and secured herself into the schoolhouse with the children (who were now hysterical.)

The Sheriff called two SWAT members to join him at the schoolhouse for back-up and presumably to watch the rear exit. The Sheriff again announced his intention and threatened to arrest anyone who got in the way of his attempt to secure the children. One of the teachers then ran out of the schoolhouse with the kids and the kids ran with her to a nearby farmhouse. Police detained the second teacher.

The SWAT Team then surrounded the farmhouse and again the Sheriff ordered the release of the two children. A family member then released the two children into police custody. The Sheriff then released the teacher he had detained. No one was harmed thanks to the professionalism of the Sheriff and his well-trained SWAT Team.

I know BTS would prefer the Sheriff to show up alone in a Hawaiian shirt and loafers...and maybe the SWAT team could carry some flourescent orange water pistols...but thats not reality.

Police officers do what they do, wear what they wear, and carry the weapons they carry for ONE REASON ALONE.....so they can go home to their families at the end of their shift!!!

I personally am sick and tired of Worthy moderators allowing BTS to make unwarranted accusations, and promote anti-law enforcement, anti-gov't threads on a daily basis. Almost every thread that BTS starts is some kind of "the gov't is out to get you" conspiracy theory.

Sorry, Axxman, I have trouble believing the following statement: "When the Amish found out that the Sheriff would be coming to take the two children they said they would shoot anybody that came to take the kids". When I first saw this story it was accompanied by a video which had the father of the woman involved in the custody dispute saying to the sheriff when he arrived "why did you bring all those firearms, you know we don't have any guns here and even if we had, we wouldn't use them?"

Also with my "checking process" I looked for other stories saying basically the same as the OP, and nowhere (including the one that was written by someone trying to "put the sheriff's side of the story") did it say that.

So if you have some proof of this, it might be a good idea to post it.

And yes, sure, why couldn't "the sheriff show up in a Hawaiian shirt and loafers"? "However, the SWAT team carrying orange fluorescent water pistols", no! That's just ridiculous, a SWAT team is just NOT NEEDED in a situation like this.

However, what really gets to me is: "I personally am sick and tired of Worthy moderators allowing BTS to make unwarranted accusations, and promote anti-law enforcement, anti-gov't threads on a daily basis. Almost every thread that BTS starts is some kind of "the gov't is out to get you" conspiracy theory".

Firstly, how can you blame the moderators for what I post? And secondly, this is in no way "an unwarranted accusation", it is a news story, which seems to be absolutely true. Third, "anti-law enforcement, anti-gov't threads on a daily basis." HOW is reporting FACTS "anti-gov't" (it would be a fine situation to find America in if all news that was "negative" was considered "anti-gov't" and "ruled out"). The same goes for the term "anti-law enforcement".

Now "Police officers do what they do, wear what they wear, and carry the weapons they carry for ONE REASON ALONE" Wrong again Axxman, police are not supposed to dress up in camouflage gear, sporting weapons at the ready. That is how soldiers dress, not police. If police want to play soldiers, like I've said before, they can go on these "weekend retreats" (or what ever they're called) where everything is set out for them.

Oh, and Axxman "Since BTS has the habit of posting the most biased and vague version of stories...allow me to set the record straight". You're wasting your time being a parking warden (or what ever you are) You should be a lawyer.

[MorningGlory]

Now "Police officers do what they do, wear what they wear, and carry the weapons they carry for ONE REASON ALONE" Wrong again Axxman, police are not supposed to dress up in camouflage gear, sporting weapons at the ready. That is how soldiers dress, not police.

No, bts, you are wrong again. In the U.S., some S.W.A.T. teams do dress in camouflage and they ALL carry weapons at the ready (including semi-automatics). You really need to address the fact that, in this country, things are not the same as N.Z. Most S.W.A.T. teams here are as highly trained as any military.

[Axxman]

Sorry, Axxman, I have trouble believing the following statement: "When the Amish found out that the Sheriff would be coming to take the two children they said they would shoot anybody that came to take the kids". When I first saw this story it was accompanied by a video which had the father of the woman involved in the custody dispute saying to the sheriff when he arrived "why did you bring all those firearms, you know we don't have any guns here and even if we had, we wouldn't use them?"

LOL...you watch a Youtube video that was OBVIOUSLY made by the Amish with a handheld video camera...and post a story from the overly unreliable TMZ news...and you have the nerve to doubt my sources?!?! Now thats rich!

Also with my "checking process" I looked for other stories saying basically the same as the OP, and nowhere (including the one that was written by someone trying to "put the sheriff's side of the story") did it say that.

So if you have some proof of this, it might be a good idea to post it.

I suggest you give up or revise your "checking process" because you ALWAYS just so happen to find the worst one. Do you honestly expect me to believe that when it took me about 30 seconds to google "amish swat raid" to find a source (right below your Youtube video) with the info I provided...

The sheriff said threats were made that deputies would be shot if they interfered...and...

The sheriff said she ushered the children into the school and began to shout and scream that the sheriff

[buckthesystem]

Sorry, Axxman, I have trouble believing the following statement: "When the Amish found out that the Sheriff would be coming to take the two children they said they would shoot anybody that came to take the kids". When I first saw this story it was accompanied by a video which had the father of the woman involved in the custody dispute saying to the sheriff when he arrived "why did you bring all those firearms, you know we don't have any guns here and even if we had, we wouldn't use them?"

LOL...you watch a Youtube video that was OBVIOUSLY made by the Amish with a handheld video camera...and post a story from the overly unreliable TMZ news...and you have the nerve to doubt my sources?!?! Now thats rich!

Also with my "checking process" I looked for other stories saying basically the same as the OP, and nowhere (including the one that was written by someone trying to "put the sheriff's side of the story") did it say that.

So if you have some proof of this, it might be a good idea to post it.

I suggest you give up or revise your "checking process" because you ALWAYS just so happen to find the worst one. Do you honestly expect me to believe that when it took me about 30 seconds to google "amish swat raid" to find a source (right below your Youtube video) with the info I provided...

The sheriff said threats were made that deputies would be shot if they interfered...and...

The sheriff said she ushered the children into the school and began to shout and scream that the sheriff

[Axxman]

Axxman, this has turned into a "he said, she said" situation, so we'll just have to "agree to differ" and maybe we'll find something else out when the case comes to court and more information comes to light.

NO...its not an issue of "he said/she said." And MORE information has come to light in the quotes from the article that I provided. You are simply ignoring the "more information" because it doesn't fit into your anti-police ideology.

I take your comments to mean that you agree with the trend of militarising the police. I read your list of equipment and clothing for SWAT teams, and it sounds to me like the police are dressing up as soldiers and using firearms that would be more appropriate in a battle, to make war on their own people.

Yes..the police dress that way so they can play soldier on the weekend, and then go make battle with the citizenry when they get bored with that. I know its a foreign concept to you...but maybe they dress and train the way they do because they work in a warzone and their jobs are extremely dangerous and ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS GO HOME SAFELY TO THEIR FAMILIES AFTER A NIGHT OF PROTECTING THEIR COMMUNITIES!!!!

A parking warden is just as much a "law enforcement officer" as Barney Fife or Roscoe P Coltrane.

What?!?!? Do you have a cop insult book or something? Again, your insults are NOTHING NEW! You think I've never been called Barney Fife before? Seriously! I can't believe you've held out this long without a donut jab...

I usually don't like to stereotype people, but it is becoming more and more obvious that certain jobs attract certain types of people.

And what type of people am I? In my line of work I could be sued, my wife and children could be sued, my parents and siblings could be sued...just for hint of evidence that I used a stereotype on the job!

[Larry 2]

Axxman, this has turned into a "he said, she said" situation, so we'll just have to "agree to differ" and maybe we'll find something else out when the case comes to court and more information comes to light.

NO...its not an issue of "he said/she said." And MORE information has come to light in the quotes from the article that I provided. You are simply ignoring the "more information" because it doesn't fit into your anti-police ideology.

I take your comments to mean that you agree with the trend of militarising the police. I read your list of equipment and clothing for SWAT teams, and it sounds to me like the police are dressing up as soldiers and using firearms that would be more appropriate in a battle, to make war on their own people.

Yes..the police dress that way so they can play soldier on the weekend, and then go make battle with the citizenry when they get bored with that. I know its a foreign concept to you...but maybe they dress and train the way they do because they work in a warzone and their jobs are extremely dangerous and ALL THEY WANT TO DO IS GO HOME SAFELY TO THEIR FAMILIES AFTER A NIGHT OF PROTECTING THEIR COMMUNITIES!!!!

A parking warden is just as much a "law enforcement officer" as Barney Fife or Roscoe P Coltrane.

What?!?!? Do you have a cop insult book or something? Again, your insults are NOTHING NEW! You think I've never been called Barney Fife before? Seriously! I can't believe you've held out this long without a donut jab...

I usually don't like to stereotype people, but it is becoming more and more obvious that certain jobs attract certain types of people.

And what type of people am I? In my line of work I could be sued, my wife and children could be sued, my parents and siblings could be sued...just for hint of evidence that I used a stereotype on the job!

I'm sorry that anyone here has to put up with the attitude exibited in buckthe system's statement. For one, I am proud of the job that most of law enforcement is doing in our country and pubically thank you Axxman. As our military stands in for us on the battlefield, men like you protect us at home. May God continue to put men like you to serve us, especially a brother in the Lord also. Thanks again in Jesus' name.