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Jhn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Why did Jesus have to go away before the Comforter would come?

Henry says this (in part)

2. It was therefore expedient because it was in order to the sending of the Spirit. Now observe,

(1.) That Christ

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I certainly don't want to appear to know more than some learned men, but I think they sort of complicated the issue beyond what it needed to be.

As long as Jesus was with them, the Holy Spirt was not there. Sending the Holy Spirit was a completion of the Trinity. God the Father sent the Son, and then the Father and the Son BOTH send the comforter (Holy Spirt) See John 14:26.

Jesus had to leave (die) in order to make way for the Holy Spirit to do its work in the hearts of men. Jesus ministry was one of healing and delivery from the works of Satan i.e. death, sickness and so on. Jesus work was mostly external, although he did touch the hearts of men. But the Holy Spirits work is all internal. The Holy Spirit draws men to God. The Holy Spirit enables men to do the work to which they are called. Christs death on the cross made a personal relationship with God available to us.

The Holy Spirit continues the work began by Christ, but Christ had to be out of the way so to speak for that to happen. Christ presence on earth was limited to one space at a time. His leaving meant he could be present to the whole world through the Holy Spirit.

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blessings traveller this is just my opinion on these verses so take it as such and not as scholarly research :th_praying: .

the Holy Spirit now indwells within us instead of upon us- the cleansing justification making that possible through blood of our Lord.

hopefully others will add to this thread.

love your sister in Christ,

Rebekah David

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I certainly don't want to appear to know more than some learned men, but I think they sort of complicated the issue beyond what it needed to be.

As long as Jesus was with them, the Holy Spirt was not there. Sending the Holy Spirit was a completion of the Trinity. God the Father sent the Son, and then the Father and the Son BOTH send the comforter (Holy Spirt) See John 14:26.

Jesus had to leave (die) in order to make way for the Holy Spirit to do its work in the hearts of men. Jesus ministry was one of healing and delivery from the works of Satan i.e. death, sickness and so on. Jesus work was mostly external, although he did touch the hearts of men. But the Holy Spirits work is all internal. The Holy Spirit draws men to God. The Holy Spirit enables men to do the work to which they are called. Christs death on the cross made a personal relationship with God available to us.

The Holy Spirit continues the work began by Christ, but Christ had to be out of the way so to speak for that to happen. Christ presence on earth was limited to one space at a time. His leaving meant he could be present to the whole world through the Holy Spirit.

Yes - I agree with the workings of the Holy Spirit. But, why did Christ have to be out of the way? The Holy Spirit was present in the form of a dove at Jesus' baptism, along with the Father speaking. All three were present then, in one space.

I'm not trying to be difficult - seriously - I'm just thick headed I think. :th_praying:

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blessings traveller this is just my opinion on these verses so take it as such and not as scholarly research :th_praying: .

the Holy Spirit now indwells within us instead of upon us- the cleansing justification making that possible through blood of our Lord.

hopefully others will add to this thread.

love your sister in Christ,

Rebekah David

Amen sis! I wholeheartedly agree. :)

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Apparently, if I'm reading this correctly, Jesus had to be glorified before the Holy Spirit could come. Yet - the Holy Spirit was here before.

Isa 63:11

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The HOLY SPIRIT was with JESUS and upon HIM. In order for GOD to move forward with HIS plans for the church, JESUS had to die and ascend.

Some of the answer you are looking for is in the quote, "upon this rock I will build my church".

As long as JESUS was in the world, the church would only be where HE was. By HIS leaving and and being replaced by the HOLY SPIRIT, the church was able to spread to the far corners of the Earth.

"upon this rock I will build my church" was a follow up to the statement, "flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but MY FATHER in Heaven has revealed it".

Miracles and signs and wonders do not save people, it is the work of the HOLY SPIRIT that truly does the saving. Clearly the HOLY SPIRIT was at work around them, but now would be in them.

Plus, JESUS had to deal with the idea that as long as HE was here, there would be those who would expect HIM to take over the government.

The more I write, the more I find I do not know the real answer to your question. But, I think this is part of it. :th_praying:

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The more I write, the more I find I do not know the real answer to your question. But, I think this is part of it. :rolleyes:

Welcome to my world, brother. :laugh:

Good post :thumbsup:

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Kross, good answer. Actually all of the answers are good and they make me think. I have no idea what the exact reason is, only what I understand about it. I so enjoy reading others thoughts on this. It makes me use the old brain more. :rolleyes:

Although I do have a lightening mind.....a brilliant flash and then total darkness :thumbsup:

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Kross, good answer. Actually all of the answers are good and they make me think. I have no idea what the exact reason is, only what I understand about it. I so enjoy reading others thoughts on this. It makes me use the old brain more. :b:

Although I do have a lightening mind.....a brilliant flash and then total darkness :thumbsup:

Lightening mind, eh? :39: I never knew there was such an apt description of mine. :laugh:

And yes , I am enjoying seeing others thoughts, as well. :rolleyes:

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