Why Pray for someone to get saved

[Guest shiloh357]

To put it out there clearly, I thingk GOD decided before HE started creating who would be saved and who HE would not save.

Well I prefer to believe the Bible as opposed to that unbiblical teaching.

[Matthitjah]

To put it out there clearly, I thingk GOD decided before HE started creating who would be saved and who HE would not save. No person makes a choice for GOD outside of HIS Spirit working a change in them to make that choice. Thus, the LAMB's book of life was sealed from the foundations of the world.

All men are slaves to sin and Satan until they are set free by an act of GOD. Sin and Satan will not lead a man to GOD.

Grace to you,

Then why has Jesus stated that He will strike you out of the Book of Life? He did exist in time for 33 years.

Peace,

Dave

[kross]

To put it out there clearly, I thingk GOD decided before HE started creating who would be saved and who HE would not save. No person makes a choice for GOD outside of HIS Spirit working a change in them to make that choice. Thus, the LAMB's book of life was sealed from the foundations of the world.

All men are slaves to sin and Satan until they are set free by an act of GOD. Sin and Satan will not lead a man to GOD.

Grace to you,

Then why has Jesus stated that He will strike you out of the Book of Life? He did exist in time for 33 years.

Peace,

Dave

There is no place JESUS says HE will strike you out of the book, that i know of. The only place I know of is where HE says HE will in no wise strike you out of the book, which is in The Revelation

[kross]

To put it out there clearly, I thingk GOD decided before HE started creating who would be saved and who HE would not save.

Well I prefer to believe the Bible as opposed to that unbiblical teaching.

It ispretty much, the only doctrin of the church until 400 years ago. It is what the Bible states very clearly. If it is not in your Bible then I guess it would be considered unbiblical to your.

But, it is what Paul stated in everyone of his letters to the church. I trust his opinion on the matter.

[Guest shiloh357]

It ispretty much, the only doctrin of the church until 400 years ago

Yeah and 1,000 years ago the church back then thought the earth was flat too. Up until about 500 years ago, people paid indulgences to get people out of the mythical "purgatory." "Older" does not mean "more accurate."

It is what the Bible states very clearly.

No the Bible says God so loved "the world" that He gave His only begotten Son..." It does not say, "for God so loved the ones chosen for salvation."

The Bible says that God is not willing that any should perish but that "All" should come to repentance." "All means "all." It does not say, "God is not willing that a few chosen ones should not perish."

But, it is what Paul stated in everyone of his letters to the church. I trust his opinion on the matter.

That nonsense is a perversion of Paul's teaching. He said no such thing.

I will just stick with the Bible and biblical Christiantiy as opposed to the stuff you are putting forth.

[kross]

It ispretty much, the only doctrin of the church until 400 years ago

Yeah and 1,000 years ago the church back then thought the earth was flat too. Up until about 500 years ago, people paid indulgences to get people out of the mythical "purgatory." "Older" does not mean "more accurate."

It is what the Bible states very clearly.

No the Bible says God so loved "the world" that He gave His only begotten Son..." It does not say, "for God so loved the ones chosen for salvation."

The Bible says that God is not willing that any should perish but that "All" should come to repentance." "All means "all." It does not say, "God is not willing that a few chosen ones should not perish."

But, it is what Paul stated in everyone of his letters to the church. I trust his opinion on the matter.

That nonsense is a perversion of Paul's teaching. He said no such thing.

I will just stick with the Bible and biblical Christiantiy as opposed to the stuff you are putting forth.

Well, as I have seen, you are convinced that you have perfect knowledge and could not be taught anything different then what you want by men nor angels.

While I do not have your perfect understanding and can be taught by a donkey or a rooster crowing, I also know enough of what the Bible says to be well convinced on this point.

While you choose to point to issues of the world's teachings and the teachings of a church body that I do not belong to, I will stick to the beliefs of the body of Protestant churches of the early church. I will put my faith in the theologians who met in mass at the synods and established the foundational beliefs of the churches rather than the modern individuals who hae chosen to reject that doctrin.

I would love it if you would comment on the post "Which "We" or "Us" I started. It would continue this conversation in a new thread.

[irishcowboy]

To put it out there clearly, I thingk GOD decided before HE started creating who would be saved and who HE would not save. No person makes a choice for GOD outside of HIS Spirit working a change in them to make that choice. Thus, the LAMB's book of life was sealed from the foundations of the world.

All men are slaves to sin and Satan until they are set free by an act of GOD. Sin and Satan will not lead a man to GOD.

Grace to you,

Then why has Jesus stated that He will strike you out of the Book of Life? He did exist in time for 33 years.

Peace,

Dave

There is no place JESUS says HE will strike you out of the book, that i know of. The only place I know of is where HE says HE will in no wise strike you out of the book, which is in The Revelation

read the first few chapters of Revelation. you will see where it is said.

3:3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. 4 Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy. 5 He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.

this is saying that if you do not overcome, even though you have been written in the book of life, you can be erased, stricken, blotted out, done away with. those that do overcome will not have their names removed. if we allow our garments to be soiled, stained, dirtied, we are not ready and have turned away.

Matthew 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

receiving salvation is a choice, not predestination. it is a GIFT, a free Gift, it is up to us as to whether or not we accept this GIFT. you can reject it, or you can accept it, your choice. some will accept it when offered, some will reject it and will regret it one day and through out all eternity.

if it were any other way, everything Christ did was wasted. and what Christ did was the most awesome, most wonderful GIFT that could ever be offered. I CHOSE TO ACCEPT, how about you?

mike

[kross]

To put it out there clearly, I thingk GOD decided before HE started creating who would be saved and who HE would not save. No person makes a choice for GOD outside of HIS Spirit working a change in them to make that choice. Thus, the LAMB's book of life was sealed from the foundations of the world.

All men are slaves to sin and Satan until they are set free by an act of GOD. Sin and Satan will not lead a man to GOD.

Grace to you,

Then why has Jesus stated that He will strike you out of the Book of Life? He did exist in time for 33 years.

Peace,

Dave

There is no place JESUS says HE will strike you out of the book, that i know of. The only place I know of is where HE says HE will in no wise strike you out of the book, which is in The Revelation

read the first few chapters of Revelation. you will see where it is said.

3:3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. 4 Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy. 5 He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.

this is saying that if you do not overcome, even though you have been written in the book of life, you can be erased, stricken, blotted out, done away with. those that do overcome will not have their names removed. if we allow our garments to be soiled, stained, dirtied, we are not ready and have turned away.

Matthew 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

receiving salvation is a choice, not predestination. it is a GIFT, a free Gift, it is up to us as to whether or not we accept this GIFT. you can reject it, or you can accept it, your choice. some will accept it when offered, some will reject it and will regret it one day and through out all eternity.

if it were any other way, everything Christ did was wasted. and what Christ did was the most awesome, most wonderful GIFT that could ever be offered. I CHOSE TO ACCEPT, how about you?

mike

As you can see from your quote, HE said HE will never blot your name from the book of life. You infer that means HE might. I see it as a promise that those whom HE has chosen will persevere to the end.

Clearly a man came in to the wedding that was not clothed in CHRIST. A teaching that points to the fact that there is only one way. Again, your interpretation of it does not take into account if he was ever invited. In fact, it indicates that the man heard about a party/feast and attempted to crash it. If he had been invited first hand, he would have had the proper attire because he would have known the reason for the feast.

And, If CHRIST had not done what HE did, GOD could not have saved a people for HIMSLF from the inhabitants of earth. Thus, it is awesome what HE did.

[Guest man]

To put it out there clearly, I thingk GOD decided before HE started creating who would be saved and who HE would not save. No person makes a choice for GOD outside of HIS Spirit working a change in them to make that choice. Thus, the LAMB's book of life was sealed from the foundations of the world.

You might want to rethink that.

Exodus 32

33 And the LORD said to Moses,

[Smalcald]

Obviosly we cannot save ourselves, nor can we will oursevles to believe, so I do partially agree with you Kross that only the Holy Spirit can give us faith, I also agree that Christ already knows who will hear and who will not, after all He already is with us in the future.

However I disagree that God sends us to hell, scripture is clear that Christ wishes every person be saved. We do have one option and that option is to run from the Holy Spirit, we cannot call Him down, but we can turn our back when we hear. Paul did not have to believe, he had the choice to turn away from the voice of God, just as we all do.