Seven Churches

[canuckamuck]

Canuck, I've heard about the kind of idols like what you're mentioning here. One of my dearest friends is a Christian from India who says this same kind of thing goes on there as well (and the population there is predominantly Hindu). I even read somewhere--though I can't remember right off exactly where--that there are demons which inhabit these graven images. Although I haven't ever been overseas and exposed to such a thing--it doesn't hurt my feelings any that I haven't, if ya' know what I mean.

I have not personally heard of Idols here with demons attached, but nothing would surprise me. There is no shortage of black magic here, even government leaders consult with witches for insight, and people often curse one another through different techniques. The idols here are mainly to ensure a lucky life. But they are worshiped too. Recently people have been turning to the Hindu god Ganesh. He is the one you see with an elephant head and many human arms. They even released a kids animated movie here where baby Ganesh is the main character.

It is all extremely sad.

[Guest man]

Yes, allow me to ask a question about the length of hair. From my studies, the woman's hair was long enough to wrap around themselves as a vale, hiding their face to the sandstorms and honor. Men would not have hair like this, but how short is too long? 1 inch ... how about 3 inches ... maybe up to 12 inches? As long as it was not down to their waste, it was not like woman's covering, but that would be pushing it too much. This would also lead one to believe that a shaved head is best, but didn't a shaved head mean that took an oath?

I think this is way too legalistic, but hey, been down this road before ...

Why do you believe it's legalistic?

[canuckamuck]

Man, I suppose it is for effect that you are being particularly vague, so you force us to guess at your hypothesis. Are you saying that the classic image of Christ we see in paintings is a trick of the devil and we find ourselves worshiping someone with long hair when it should have been short?

As far as I know the paintings of Christ are reflective of the description of Christ given by Flavius and recorded by Josephus. But even if Christ was actually bald and Asian it would not change a thing for me. I do not worship His image, I worship Him whom I am sure will not look like the paintings when we see Him in glory.

[Guest man]

Man, I suppose it is for effect that you are being particularly vague, so you force us to guess at your hypothesis. Are you saying that the classic image of Christ we see in paintings is a trick of the devil and we find ourselves worshiping someone with long hair when it should have been short?

As far as I know the paintings of Christ are reflective of the description of Christ given by Flavius and recorded by Josephus. But even if Christ was actually bald and Asian it would not change a thing for me. I do not worship His image, I worship Him whom I am sure will not look like the paintings when we see Him in glory.

The thing is, there's not even supposed to be a picture, a painting, a statue, or whatever. Those things are strictly forbidden. We are not to have any of those things............period.

[Doowopjock]

Yes, allow me to ask a question about the length of hair. From my studies, the woman's hair was long enough to wrap around themselves as a vale, hiding their face to the sandstorms and honor. Men would not have hair like this, but how short is too long? 1 inch ... how about 3 inches ... maybe up to 12 inches? As long as it was not down to their waste, it was not like woman's covering, but that would be pushing it too much. This would also lead one to believe that a shaved head is best, but didn't a shaved head mean that took an oath?

I think this is way too legalistic, but hey, been down this road before ...

Yes, I would have to agree that the meaning of "long" would be relative.

Edited July 9, 2009 by Doowopjock

[Guest man]

Just for the record.........let's try to keep this somewhat civil.

I know this issue gets heated every time it comes up, but let's look at this issue through the Word.

[Guest man]

Yes, allow me to ask a question about the length of hair. From my studies, the woman's hair was long enough to wrap around themselves as a vale, hiding their face to the sandstorms and honor. Men would not have hair like this, but how short is too long? 1 inch ... how about 3 inches ... maybe up to 12 inches? As long as it was not down to their waste, it was not like woman's covering, but that would be pushing it too much. This would also lead one to believe that a shaved head is best, but didn't a shaved head mean that took an oath?

I think this is way too legalistic, but hey, been down this road before ...

Yes, I would have to agree that the meaning of "long" would be relative.

In the image that we know of Jesus, would you say He has long or short hair?

I will post scripture that backs up what I am saying about that image.

Please bare with me, I put in 13 hour days. My next one starts 3:45 am.

I believe this is a very serious issue that people need to look at.

[OneLight]

Yes, allow me to ask a question about the length of hair. From my studies, the woman's hair was long enough to wrap around themselves as a vale, hiding their face to the sandstorms and honor. Men would not have hair like this, but how short is too long? 1 inch ... how about 3 inches ... maybe up to 12 inches? As long as it was not down to their waste, it was not like woman's covering, but that would be pushing it too much. This would also lead one to believe that a shaved head is best, but didn't a shaved head mean that took an oath?

I think this is way too legalistic, but hey, been down this road before ...

Yes, I would have to agree that the meaning of "long" would be relative.

In the image that we know of Jesus, would you say He has long or short hair?

That all depends on which picture you are talking about. I have seen both. Yet, no picture that I have seen shows Jesus with hair long enough to wrap around him as a veil.

[Guest man]

Yes, allow me to ask a question about the length of hair. From my studies, the woman's hair was long enough to wrap around themselves as a vale, hiding their face to the sandstorms and honor. Men would not have hair like this, but how short is too long? 1 inch ... how about 3 inches ... maybe up to 12 inches? As long as it was not down to their waste, it was not like woman's covering, but that would be pushing it too much. This would also lead one to believe that a shaved head is best, but didn't a shaved head mean that took an oath?

I think this is way too legalistic, but hey, been down this road before ...

Yes, I would have to agree that the meaning of "long" would be relative.

In the image that we know of Jesus, would you say He has long or short hair?

That all depends on which picture you are talking about. I have seen both. Yet, no picture that I have seen shows Jesus with hair long enough to wrap around him as a veil.

You're trying make a defense for that image...........why?

Can you provide scripture that states those images of Jesus are acceptable? Whether the image has long hair or short hair, is it ok to have them?

[canuckamuck]

We are not to have graven images of God, However that command is a bit fuzzy when God spent time on Earth as a man. If we had cameras in those days would it have been wrong to have taken a photo?