Science built from Faith

[Guest man]

What's up, man? Why are you playing 'kick the can' all by yourself?

Just waiting.

[RigMedic]

May I ask you a few questions regarding this?

Go right ahead, though I fear it may lead off topic, but it is your thread.

First question

Have you ever told a lie?

Yes.

So what does that make you?

If I were to start telling you lies, you would call me a what?

A liar. Next question?

Have you ever stolen something, even something small, a ballpoint pen, or a paper clip even?

[RigMedic]

May I ask you a few questions regarding this?

Go right ahead, though I fear it may lead off topic, but it is your thread.

First question

Have you ever told a lie?

Yes.

So what does that make you?

If I were to start telling you lies, you would call me a what?

A liar. Next question?

Have you ever stolen something, even something small, a ballpoint pen, or a paper clip even?

Yes.

And I'll anticipate your next question to hopefully speed things up and just say: I am a thief.

Have you ever hated anyone?

Have you ever looked at someone with sexual desire?

[RigMedic]

May I ask you a few questions regarding this?

Go right ahead, though I fear it may lead off topic, but it is your thread.

First question

Have you ever told a lie?

Yes.

So what does that make you?

If I were to start telling you lies, you would call me a what?

A liar. Next question?

Have you ever stolen something, even something small, a ballpoint pen, or a paper clip even?

Yes.

And I'll anticipate your next question to hopefully speed things up and just say: I am a thief.

Have you ever hated anyone?

Have you ever looked at someone with sexual desire?

I'm not sure that I've actually ever hated someone, but for arguments sake I'll say yes just in case I have at some point in my life.

And for the second question, I'll say yes to that too.

So what does that make me so far? A liar, a thief, a hater(?) and a luster(?).

More questions or shall we cut to the punch line?

You say that you have always tried to live in a way that you believe to be good. Where do you get your standard of good from?

The Lord says that if you so much as hate someone you have commited murder in your heart.

The Lord also says the if you so much as look at a woman with lust, you have already commited adultery in your heart.

So by your own admission, your a lying, thieving, adulterous, ,murderer. And we have to face God on judgment day.

I know you dont believe in God, but IF he were to judge you by these Ten Commandments do you think you would be innocent or guilty?

[RigMedic]

I am just curious, does that not concern you in the slightest?

[RigMedic]

I am just curious, does that not concern you in the slightest?

Allow me to ask you something and perhaps it will help you understand why it doesn't concern me. Are you concerned about breaking Zeus' rules? Or Kali's rules? Or Osiris' rules? Are you concerned that you won't be buried with two silver coins when you die so as to be able to pay the ferryman to cross the River Styx?

As a Christian, you are an atheist with respect to every single God that men have ever worshipped except one. When you understand why you don't believe in Odin, Horus, Ares or Ganesh you will understand why I don't believe in your version of God.

First off I hope I am not offending you, that is not my intention. I am trying to understand what the reasons are for so many peoples disbelief.

Are you saying that you believe in a higher power, but are unsure of which one, or that one does not exist? I would like to point out though a couple of key differences between those "gods" and my God is this. First, no other religion or "god" promises the forgiveness of sins. Secondly the Bible, which we believe is the word of God, has 100% fulfillment of its predictions. There are about 3,856 verses directly or indirectly concerned with prophecy in Scripture. God's challenge to the world is,

Edited November 11, 2008 by RigMedic

[MorningGlory]

First off I hope I am not offending you, that is not my intention. I am trying to understand what the reasons are for so many peoples disbelief.

Not at all RigMedic, and likewise, my intention is not to offend you.

Are you saying that you believe in a higher power, but are unsure of which one, or that one does not exist?

I believe in the possibility of a higher power however I have no evidence that one exists and therefore have no belief in a higher power.

I would like to point out though a couple of key differences between those "gods" and my God is this. First, no other religion or "god" promises the forgiveness of sins.

This is irrelevant. What it promises cannot be verified and uniqueness is not evidence of truth. It may be true, but this isn't evidence of truth and is thus irrelevant.

Secondly the Bible, which we believe is the word of God, has 100% fulfillment of its predictions. There are about 3,856 verses directly or indirectly concerned with prophecy in Scripture. God's challenge to the world is, "Prove me now ...I the Lord have spoken it: it shall come to pass" (see Malachi 3:10; Ezekiel 24:14). The destruction of Tyre, the invasion of Jerusalem, the fall of Babylon and Rome-each event was accurately predicted in the Bible and later fulfilled to the smallest detail.

This kind of thing is of interest to me and is possibly one of the things that could make me a believer. I'd need to be able to scrutinise it though. I have been shown some examples and they usually boil down to a certain kind of circular reasoning where the Bible is given as evidence for the truth of the Bible.

If you could guide me to any good books by reputable and respected authors on the topic I'd be most appreciative.

Interesting. Haven't you posted here before...with a different name?

[Guest man]

[RigMedic]

First off I hope I am not offending you, that is not my intention. I am trying to understand what the reasons are for so many peoples disbelief.

Not at all RigMedic, and likewise, my intention is not to offend you.

Are you saying that you believe in a higher power, but are unsure of which one, or that one does not exist?

I believe in the possibility of a higher power however I have no evidence that one exists and therefore have no belief in a higher power.

I would like to point out though a couple of key differences between those "gods" and my God is this. First, no other religion or "god" promises the forgiveness of sins.

This is irrelevant. What it promises cannot be verified and uniqueness is not evidence of truth. It may be true, but this isn't evidence of truth and is thus irrelevant.

Secondly the Bible, which we believe is the word of God, has 100% fulfillment of its predictions. There are about 3,856 verses directly or indirectly concerned with prophecy in Scripture. God's challenge to the world is,

[RigMedic]

Here are some links and respectable authors like you asked for.

http://focusonjerusalem.com/thebibleandpalestine.htm

http://www.2christ.org/prophecy/

http://raptureready.com/who/Dave_Breese.html

Lambert Dolphin

Physicist, instructor, researcher and author. Has visited Israel dozens of times and has an extensive background in the historical study of Bible prophecy. States that one of the great, lasting effects of visiting Israel is that any ideas one has that the Bible is myth or legend, and not history, are quickly dispelled. He publishes his library at ldolphin.org.

Bill Koenig

White House correspondent, author, expert on Israel, director of Koenig's International News at watch.org and his news service, "World Watch Daily." His mission is to educate, through truthful, discerning, and frequent commentary, about the significance of current events affecting Israel and our world either directly or indirectly. He gives clear understanding to the relationship between Israel and Bible prophecy.

Anne T. Garcia

Using the name Teresa Garcia for her media broadcasts, she is a well-studied author and speaker. She has mastered the use of graphs, charts and time-lines backed up with scriptural references to help the everyday person, not the theological scholar, understand Bible prophecy. She hosts the radio and television program, "Understanding the End of the Age." She is an author, speaker and teacher, and directs fromthehidden.com.

Thomas Ice

He is executive director of The Pre-Trib Research Center, and is very intelligent and well qualified, having earned his PhD in systematic theology, specializing in eschatology. He is an author, and a prolific writer of articles and commentaries on Bible prophecy and the defense of the pre-tribulation rapture. He is a pastor, scholar, theologian and professor. He speaks and debates at several conferences annually.

Dave Breese

Late host of "The King is Coming" program (now hosted by Ed Hindson), was founder of Christian program with Dr. Tim LaHaye. He was an author, outstanding speaker, broadcaster, debater and teacher. He was one of the first Bible prophecy teachers to reveal how secular philosophies would grow as evil strongholds in schools, businesses, homes, churches and governments.

One of his books,

Seven Men Who Rule the World from the Grave

by Dave Breese

John Ankerberg

Director of the Ankerberg Theological Research Institute, he produces and hosts the nationally televised program "John Ankerberg Show," defending Biblical positions on topics such as the occult, false religions, sin, prophecy and the end times. His website, johnankerberg.com, is a ministry tool containing over 1,500 articles in defense of Biblical positions on currents issues. Holding numerous degrees, he is also a minister and former pastor. He has authored and co-authored over 65 books dealing with the end-times, false religions and the New Age.

One of his books,

One World:

Biblical Prophecy and the New World Order

by John Ankerberg, John Weldon

David Dolan

He is a broadcast journalist (formerly Jerusalem-based), having served as news director at the Voice of Hope radio station in war-torn southern Lebanon. From Jerusalem he reported for various Christian networks and for the CBS radio network, covering the immigration of Soviet Jews to Israel. Having lived in Israel for more than 25 years, he has been near suicide bombings, developed relationships with various Israeli political and military leaders, and has become an expert on Israel and the Middle East. He has authored and co-authored books on Israel and the end-times, including a recent combination current events-biblical prophecy book. He authors the monthly newsletter "Israel News Digest," and is an exciting conference speaker. He offers email updates at ddolan.com.

Alan Franklin

He has been a British journalist since 1964, and recently a chief reporter and editor of a journal serving a quarter of a million readers in southeast England. He is a Bible prophecy teacher and expert on the cults. As a British Christian versed in prophecy he could not help but see in the emerging European Superstate as the foundations of a one world government with a one world dictator at its head, the man whose Biblical names include "the Beast," "the man of sin" and "the Antichrist." He calls this "The New Unholy Roman Empire." He is an author, teacher, speaker and writer.

Gary Frazier

Considered one of today's top prophecy scholars with an emphasis on the Middle East, he has traveled to Israel more than 150 times since the early 1970's. He is founder of Discovery Ministries, Inc. He is a professor, author and sought-after speaker on the subject of Bible prophecy. He often speaks on Christian radio and television programs.

Mark Hitchcock

He has earned himself a reputation as one of the most sought-after authorities in Bible prophecy for this present generation. He has written more than a dozen easy-to-read books on topics that clarify Biblical prophecy for the general reader. He is a conference speaker, pastor, author, teacher, scholar and lawyer.

Edited November 12, 2008 by RigMedic