I chose JESUS

[kross]

With all of the scriptures that state that GOD chose us, I was wondering;

Can someone find a statement that says we chose HIM.

Romans 8:33 in the NIV says something like this, "who can bring a charge against those whom GOD has chosen" Can someone find me a scripture that states, "who can bring a charge against those who have chosen GOD"?

Or maybe a scripture that says, "Now that you have chosen JESUS..."

It just seems to me that the only scriptures I can find say GOD chose, GOD elected, GOD called.

THere are dozens of scriptures that use the word "Chose, elected, called as something GOD has done. Could somebody find 2 scriptures that say we chose HIM in the same way that so many scriptures state HE chose us.

Since I am of the, "HE chose us" camp, and it seems to be the nature of Christians to ignor scriptures that do not teach what we want to believe, I feel I may have overlooked scriptures that say the opposit and i would really like to know if they are there.

This would go a long way to understanding why others reject the notion of GOD doing the choosing.

HIS Peace and Love to you all this Holiday season.

[stacey c]

Ok Kross I'll bite

I'm nowhere near a Bible scholar but I'll try to post my view point coherently.

Yes, I believe God chose us, but He chose us all

John 3:i6 "for God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son that WHOSEVER believeth on Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

17 " Jesus came not to condemn the world, but that the WORLD thru Him might be saved."

11Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing ANY should perish, but that ALL should come unto repentence."

Romans 10:4 "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

10 "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

11 "For the scripture saith, Whosever believeth on Him shall not be ashamed."

12" For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek; For the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon Him."

13 "For whosever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

Acts 2:21 "And it shall come to pass, that whosever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

[Guest man]

I was wondering;

Can someone find...

Or maybe a scripture that says...

It just seems to me...

Could somebody find...

i would really like to know...

This would go a long way to understanding why...

Proverbs 1

7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Proverbs 9

10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

Proverbs 4

7 Wisdom is the principal thing; Therefore get wisdom. And in all your getting, get understanding.

Luke 11

9

[kross]

I was wondering;

Can someone find...

Or maybe a scripture that says...

It just seems to me...

Could somebody find...

i would really like to know...

This would go a long way to understanding why...

Proverbs 1

7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Proverbs 9

10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

Proverbs 4

7 Wisdom is the principal thing; Therefore get wisdom. And in all your getting, get understanding.

Luke 11

9

[kross]

Ok Kross I'll bite

I'm nowhere near a Bible scholar but I'll try to post my view point coherently.

Yes, I believe God chose us, but He chose us all

John 3:i6 "for God so loved the WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son that WHOSEVER believeth on Him should not perish but have everlasting life."

17 " Jesus came not to condemn the world, but that the WORLD thru Him might be saved."

11Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing ANY should perish, but that ALL should come unto repentence."

Romans 10:4 "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."

9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

10 "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

11 "For the scripture saith, Whosever believeth on Him shall not be ashamed."

12" For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek; For the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon Him."

13 "For whosever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

Acts 2:21 "And it shall come to pass, that whosever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."

Hi Stacey,

I am not going to drag you into a debate on this issue. If you would like to read a debate, my post called "Adopted then lost?" lists the verses and has a long discussion.

The thing I am asking is are there scriptures that state "We chose GOD" not that we are told to choose GOD.

Your verses from Jonh 3:16-17 are the start of a teaching from JESUS that says that men will not come to HIM unless their actions are "of GOD" or "in GOD" depending on which version.

The 2Peter passage is based on the word US that means that HE is not willing that any of HIS people should perish.

Yes, whosoever will, can come. But it is GOD who puts the will in a man to come.

[Guest man]

Where are the words, "we chose JESUS" in those scriptures?

You know as well as I do. Asking questions that can't be answered doesn't put one at the top of the knowledge list.

You and I went around this issue a couple of times. You refused to acknowledge anything from the Word that contradicted your beliefs. Your entire belief system hangs on a couple of verses. That's weak.

You come here asking us to reveal the answers to you, when you should be taking your petitions to God.

All you have to do is submit to the Lord and study the Word to find the answers you're looking for.

You'd be amazed at what a genuine fear of the Lord will do for you.

[Guest man]

I say again.

Proverbs 1

7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Proverbs 9

10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

Proverbs 4

7 Wisdom is the principal thing; Therefore get wisdom. And in all your getting, get understanding.

Luke 11

9

[Hunterpoet]

I used the search mode in my bible cd.

I can not find any scripture that describes us choosing G-d; but i did find someting of interest. There are a few verses that show how badly things go if we do the choosing.

To me this repersents the total inability of man to sustain himself without G-d. That even though he would think himself intelligent, his choices over time will prove themselves to be wrong or at the very least ineffective.

No, we do not choose G-d. He chooses us, but, we have to ackowledge that He has and accept His choice.

Good question, very thought provoking.

[traveller]

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Jos 24:22 And Joshua said unto the people, Ye [are] witnesses against yourselves that ye have chosen you the LORD, to serve him. And they said, [We are] witnesses.

Jos 24:23 Now therefore put away, [said he], the strange gods which [are] among you, and incline your heart unto the LORD God of Israel.

Jos 24:24 And the people said unto Joshua, The LORD our God will we serve, and his voice will we obey.

[oak]

Kross -

One example comes to mind. When Christ healed the blind man and that man was cast out by the Pharisees. "Jesus heard that that they cast him out; and when he found him, he said unto him, Dost though believe on the Son of God? He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him [choice to choose]? And Jesus said unto him. Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. And he said, Lord I believe. And he worshipped him." (John 9:35-37)

- Oak

PS I know this may not be doctrine in terms of what you're searching for.... But, I think, it is worth your consideration.

Edited December 26, 2008 by oak