IS GOD's will done

[Guest shiloh357]

Is GOD's will done on earth as it is in heaven?

No, it is not. Sin is willful and purposed rebellion against the revealed will God. Man lives in willful rejection of God despite God's revealing of Himself and His Will through both general and special revelation.

Man continues to flagrantly and purposefully disobey God's law by committing rape, incest, murder, burglary, adultery, lying, gossipping, coveting, viewing pornography, committing abortion, oppression, racism, homosexuality, child molestation, etc. All of these things are against God's perfect, and sovereign will, yet they are in abundance on earth.

There is no way you can look at the moral, and spiritual condition of the world and claim that God's will is being done in the earth today, as it is in heaven.

There is coming a day when sin will be eradicated, when all that are on earth are God's children who no longer have the capacity or nature to sin. In that day, God's will shall be done on earth as it is in heaven, but that day is not now.

So, you believe that Satan while HE was in heaven was working outside GOD's will? Then GOD's will is not done in heaven either.

When GOD created this world, did HE not now what HE was creating? Was it supposed to be something else and HE lost control of it?

HE created Satan an threw him down to earth. Did HE not know what HE was doing? Couldn't GOD just remove Satan and make it all what heaven will be? In not doing that, doesnt that mean it is HIS will that it continue as is?

It is amazing how our understanding of GOD and HIS creation diverge so strongly. I guess that is why there is such division in the body.

So when a man kidnaps, rapes and murders a 14 year old girl, you are saying that God's will is being done?

If God's Will were being performed in the earth, redemption would not be necessary.

All I can say is if GOD could stop it and does not, than it must be HIS will that it continue.

So you can see man raping and murdering a little girl as an acceptable part of God's Will? Its okay to rape a littel girl 'cause it might be in the Will of God?

The greatest gift we have ever received from God is our choice to choose. It is not the will of God for a rape to happen but if God went around controlling all of the choices of men to commit sin it would be useless for God to give us the choice to choose to except and to love Him because He would not only be controlling our sinful nature but also our choice to choose to love. What would be use of having a God that forced us to choose and to love Him. Where would the reward be in that.

I usually don't respond to you Shiloh but in this case I must defend the nature of the God I have chosen to Love and Obey in the face of such an outrageous statement such as the one you have made against my God. God's Will is always done!

God did not create satan and then cast him down to earth. God created satan and gave him the choice to choose just as He has given us. It was only after satan CHOOSE to rebel against God that He cast him down to earth as punishment for his rebellion. You need to get the sequence of events right according to the word of God.

It is clear from your response here, Massorite, that you don't really grasp the point I am making. In fact it is not clear from your post what it is you think I am saying. Perhaps when you can collect your thoughts and actually make a coherent post, I might be able to have something to say to you.

[kross]

Why do you think GOD created Satan?

Surely GOD knew Satan's nature and what HE would do and be.

So, is Satan operating in GOD's will?

You think the rape and murder of a little girl is worse than any other sin GOD allows?

And YES, the fall of this world and the continued decay until it comes to an end is GODs will and it is exactly what HE said was the plan.

I am not talking about what God allows. I am talking about your OP. Your OP is about God Will be done. Is the girl who was raped and killed just the other day in this town an example of the Will of God being DONE? Did God want her raped and murdered? Stop trying to skirt around the question with answers about what God "allows." I am talking the actual Will of God being done.

I believe everything that happens in this world is GOD's will. How is that skirting. The answer is yes.

[kross]

Is GOD's will done on earth as it is in heaven?

No, it is not. Sin is willful and purposed rebellion against the revealed will God. Man lives in willful rejection of God despite God's revealing of Himself and His Will through both general and special revelation.

Man continues to flagrantly and purposefully disobey God's law by committing rape, incest, murder, burglary, adultery, lying, gossipping, coveting, viewing pornography, committing abortion, oppression, racism, homosexuality, child molestation, etc. All of these things are against God's perfect, and sovereign will, yet they are in abundance on earth.

There is no way you can look at the moral, and spiritual condition of the world and claim that God's will is being done in the earth today, as it is in heaven.

There is coming a day when sin will be eradicated, when all that are on earth are God's children who no longer have the capacity or nature to sin. In that day, God's will shall be done on earth as it is in heaven, but that day is not now.

So, you believe that Satan while HE was in heaven was working outside GOD's will? Then GOD's will is not done in heaven either.

When GOD created this world, did HE not now what HE was creating? Was it supposed to be something else and HE lost control of it?

HE created Satan an threw him down to earth. Did HE not know what HE was doing? Couldn't GOD just remove Satan and make it all what heaven will be? In not doing that, doesnt that mean it is HIS will that it continue as is?

It is amazing how our understanding of GOD and HIS creation diverge so strongly. I guess that is why there is such division in the body.

So when a man kidnaps, rapes and murders a 14 year old girl, you are saying that God's will is being done?

If God's Will were being performed in the earth, redemption would not be necessary.

All I can say is if GOD could stop it and does not, than it must be HIS will that it continue.

So you can see man raping and murdering a little girl as an acceptable part of God's Will? Its okay to rape a littel girl 'cause it might be in the Will of God?

The greatest gift we have ever received from God is our choice to choose. It is not the will of God for a rape to happen but if God went around controlling all of the choices of men to commit sin it would be useless for God to give us the choice to choose to except and to love Him because He would not only be controlling our sinful nature but also our choice to choose to love. What would be use of having a God that forced us to choose and to love Him. Where would the reward be in that.

I usually don't respond to you Shiloh but in this case I must defend the nature of the God I have chosen to Love and Obey in the face of such an outrageous statement such as the one you have made against my God. God's Will is always done!

God did not create satan and then cast him down to earth. God created satan and gave him the choice to choose just as He has given us. It was only after satan CHOOSE to rebel against God that He cast him down to earth as punishment for his rebellion. You need to get the sequence of events right according to the word of God.

It is clear from your response here, Massorite, that you don't really grasp the point I am making. In fact it is not clear from your post what it is you think I am saying. Perhaps when you can collect your thoughts and actually make a coherent post, I might be able to have something to say to you.

Nothing does anything against it's nature. GOD establishes the nature of all HIS creations. Satan included.

[Guest shiloh357]

Why do you think GOD created Satan?

Surely GOD knew Satan's nature and what HE would do and be.

So, is Satan operating in GOD's will?

You think the rape and murder of a little girl is worse than any other sin GOD allows?

And YES, the fall of this world and the continued decay until it comes to an end is GODs will and it is exactly what HE said was the plan.

I am not talking about what God allows. I am talking about your OP. Your OP is about God Will be done. Is the girl who was raped and killed just the other day in this town an example of the Will of God being DONE? Did God want her raped and murdered? Stop trying to skirt around the question with answers about what God "allows." I am talking the actual Will of God being done.

I believe everything that happens in this world is GOD's will. How is that skirting. The answer is yes.

Well it is obvious then that you have a very unbiblical and perverted understanding of how God's will works. Anyone who could believe that God would actually desire a little girl to be raped and murdered is engaging in sloppy, incompetent, and blasphemous theology. Sorry, but you really don't know what you are talking about, and you don't know God.

[larryt]

Is GOD's will done on earth as it is in heaven?

No, it is not. Sin is willful and purposed rebellion against the revealed will God. Man lives in willful rejection of God despite God's revealing of Himself and His Will through both general and special revelation.

Man continues to flagrantly and purposefully disobey God's law by committing rape, incest, murder, burglary, adultery, lying, gossipping, coveting, viewing pornography, committing abortion, oppression, racism, homosexuality, child molestation, etc. All of these things are against God's perfect, and sovereign will, yet they are in abundance on earth.

There is no way you can look at the moral, and spiritual condition of the world and claim that God's will is being done in the earth today, as it is in heaven.

There is coming a day when sin will be eradicated, when all that are on earth are God's children who no longer have the capacity or nature to sin. In that day, God's will shall be done on earth as it is in heaven, but that day is not now.

So, you believe that Satan while HE was in heaven was working outside GOD's will? Then GOD's will is not done in heaven either.

When GOD created this world, did HE not now what HE was creating? Was it supposed to be something else and HE lost control of it?

HE created Satan an threw him down to earth. Did HE not know what HE was doing? Couldn't GOD just remove Satan and make it all what heaven will be? In not doing that, doesnt that mean it is HIS will that it continue as is?

It is amazing how our understanding of GOD and HIS creation diverge so strongly. I guess that is why there is such division in the body.

So when a man kidnaps, rapes and murders a 14 year old girl, you are saying that God's will is being done?

If God's Will were being performed in the earth, redemption would not be necessary.

All I can say is if GOD could stop it and does not, than it must be HIS will that it continue.

So you can see man raping and murdering a little girl as an acceptable part of God's Will? Its okay to rape a littel girl 'cause it might be in the Will of God?

I'd like to throw a hypothetical at you as you found it appropriate to put one in.

The man kidnaps and rapes the 14 yr old girl and before he kills her she tells him the gospel then dies. The man is overcome with guilt over his sin and repents. Was it God's will?

LT

BUMP

Hey shiloh just thought you missed this one.

LT

[Guest shiloh357]

Is GOD's will done on earth as it is in heaven?

No, it is not. Sin is willful and purposed rebellion against the revealed will God. Man lives in willful rejection of God despite God's revealing of Himself and His Will through both general and special revelation.

Man continues to flagrantly and purposefully disobey God's law by committing rape, incest, murder, burglary, adultery, lying, gossipping, coveting, viewing pornography, committing abortion, oppression, racism, homosexuality, child molestation, etc. All of these things are against God's perfect, and sovereign will, yet they are in abundance on earth.

There is no way you can look at the moral, and spiritual condition of the world and claim that God's will is being done in the earth today, as it is in heaven.

There is coming a day when sin will be eradicated, when all that are on earth are God's children who no longer have the capacity or nature to sin. In that day, God's will shall be done on earth as it is in heaven, but that day is not now.

So, you believe that Satan while HE was in heaven was working outside GOD's will? Then GOD's will is not done in heaven either.

When GOD created this world, did HE not now what HE was creating? Was it supposed to be something else and HE lost control of it?

HE created Satan an threw him down to earth. Did HE not know what HE was doing? Couldn't GOD just remove Satan and make it all what heaven will be? In not doing that, doesnt that mean it is HIS will that it continue as is?

It is amazing how our understanding of GOD and HIS creation diverge so strongly. I guess that is why there is such division in the body.

So when a man kidnaps, rapes and murders a 14 year old girl, you are saying that God's will is being done?

If God's Will were being performed in the earth, redemption would not be necessary.

All I can say is if GOD could stop it and does not, than it must be HIS will that it continue.

So you can see man raping and murdering a little girl as an acceptable part of God's Will? Its okay to rape a littel girl 'cause it might be in the Will of God?

I'd like to throw a hypothetical at you as you found it appropriate to put one in.

The man kidnaps and rapes the 14 yr old girl and before he kills her she tells him the gospel then dies. The man is overcome with guilt over his sin and repents. Was it God's will?

LT

BUMP

Hey shiloh just thought you missed this one.

LT

I didn't miss it. I told you, my question was not hypthetical. The fact remains that there is NO context you provide that would EVER make rape or murder, especially of child within the boundary of God's Will. There is no context in which it would an exceptable action or that God would see it as something He wants to happen. God would never orchestrate the rape and murder of a child in order to get someone else saved. There is nothing you can say that will convince me and if you DO believe that it would be in His will for such an event to happen, then don't bother trying to convince me that you are a Christian.

[larryt]

Is GOD's will done on earth as it is in heaven?

No, it is not. Sin is willful and purposed rebellion against the revealed will God. Man lives in willful rejection of God despite God's revealing of Himself and His Will through both general and special revelation.

Man continues to flagrantly and purposefully disobey God's law by committing rape, incest, murder, burglary, adultery, lying, gossipping, coveting, viewing pornography, committing abortion, oppression, racism, homosexuality, child molestation, etc. All of these things are against God's perfect, and sovereign will, yet they are in abundance on earth.

There is no way you can look at the moral, and spiritual condition of the world and claim that God's will is being done in the earth today, as it is in heaven.

There is coming a day when sin will be eradicated, when all that are on earth are God's children who no longer have the capacity or nature to sin. In that day, God's will shall be done on earth as it is in heaven, but that day is not now.

So, you believe that Satan while HE was in heaven was working outside GOD's will? Then GOD's will is not done in heaven either.

When GOD created this world, did HE not now what HE was creating? Was it supposed to be something else and HE lost control of it?

HE created Satan an threw him down to earth. Did HE not know what HE was doing? Couldn't GOD just remove Satan and make it all what heaven will be? In not doing that, doesnt that mean it is HIS will that it continue as is?

It is amazing how our understanding of GOD and HIS creation diverge so strongly. I guess that is why there is such division in the body.

So when a man kidnaps, rapes and murders a 14 year old girl, you are saying that God's will is being done?

If God's Will were being performed in the earth, redemption would not be necessary.

All I can say is if GOD could stop it and does not, than it must be HIS will that it continue.

So you can see man raping and murdering a little girl as an acceptable part of God's Will? Its okay to rape a littel girl 'cause it might be in the Will of God?

I'd like to throw a hypothetical at you as you found it appropriate to put one in.

The man kidnaps and rapes the 14 yr old girl and before he kills her she tells him the gospel then dies. The man is overcome with guilt over his sin and repents. Was it God's will?

LT

BUMP

Hey shiloh just thought you missed this one.

LT

I didn't miss it. I told you, my question was not hypthetical. The fact remains that there is NO context you provide that would EVER make rape or murder, especially of child within the boundary of God's Will. There is no context in which it would an exceptable action or that God would see it as something He wants to happen. God would never orchestrate the rape and murder of a child in order to get someone else saved. There is nothing you can say that will convince me and if you DO believe that it would be in His will for such an event to happen, then don't bother trying to convince me that you are a Christian.

Did God orchestrate Joseph's abduction and transport to Egypt? Granted it is not the rape and murder of a child but it was evil that his brothers did.

LT

[RebekahDavid]

Matthew 18

1At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

2And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,

3And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

4Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

5And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

7Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

8Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

9And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

10Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

[RebekahDavid]

Matthew 7

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

9Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?

10Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?

11If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

28And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:

29For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes

[RebekahDavid]

Passage Matthew 12:50:

50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.