Ham and Canaan

[Guest yod]

Who is the youngest son? How did he know it was his youngest son when first awaking?

In His Loving Hands,

Sister in Christ

Anne

I already answered that but I'll do it again...

The youngest son to Noah at that time was Canaan.

The hebrews didn't have the concept of "grandson". You won't find that word in the bible except in some english translations

[LIVN4JC]

Dear sister,

Greetings in the name of the Lord,

Firstly let me say that i am the first to advocate the literal reading and interpretation of the reading of the word of God and I have advocated that in many of my postings esp when the literal interpretation makes sense, don't apply any other sense or you end up with nonsense. Having said that I recognise that the Bible does use figure of speech, when it says the trees of the mountain clap their hands-i do not intreprete it literally as i do not expect trees to have hands to clap. Same goes when Jesus says he is the door, through wihch one gains access to the Father, i do not expect to see door knobs on Jesus, i recognise that as a figure of speech.

Similarly in this account in Genesis, Moses is the author and he also wrote 4 other books including the book of Leviticus. He does use figure of speech here to write about an matter which demands much modesty as the subject matter is delicate and he uses a figure of speech which may be very obvious to everyone in his time, which may not be so obvoius in our time. To give you an example, when i said i went out last week, got very drunk and slept with a strange woman, that figure of speech is very obvoius to my present audience but may not be readily be understood by poor Moses who lived a few thousand years ago. He may have thought i have a slumber party by being a gracious host to a stranger.

Look at how often he uses the figure of speech "Uncover thy father's nakedness in Letivicus:

The man who lies with his father

[LIVN4JC]

Who is the youngest son? How did he know it was his youngest son when first awaking?

In His Loving Hands,

Sister in Christ

Anne

I already answered that but I'll do it again...

The youngest son to Noah at that time was Canaan.

Blessings and greetings yod.

I don't mean to be difficult and I pray I am not... but now I am really confused dear brother. Wouldn't Canaan still be his grandson though? And it says Noah knew what his youngest son had done to him. It didn't say anything about Canaan in the tent.

In His Loving Hands,

Sister in Christ,

Anne

The hebrews didn't have the concept of "grandson". You won't find that word in the bible except in some english translations

[Matthitjah]

Dear sister,

Greetings in the name of the Lord,

Firstly let me say that i am the first to advocate the literal reading and interpretation of the reading of the word of God and I have advocated that in many of my postings esp when the literal interpretation makes sense, don't apply any other sense or you end up with nonsense. Having said that I recognise that the Bible does use figure of speech, when it says the trees of the mountain clap their hands-i do not intreprete it literally as i do not expect trees to have hands to clap. Same goes when Jesus says he is the door, through wihch one gains access to the Father, i do not expect to see door knobs on Jesus, i recognise that as a figure of speech.

Similarly in this account in Genesis, Moses is the author and he also wrote 4 other books including the book of Leviticus. He does use figure of speech here to write about an matter which demands much modesty as the subject matter is delicate and he uses a figure of speech which may be very obvious to everyone in his time, which may not be so obvoius in our time. To give you an example, when i said i went out last week, got very drunk and slept with a strange woman, that figure of speech is very obvoius to my present audience but may not be readily be understood by poor Moses who lived a few thousand years ago. He may have thought i have a slumber party by being a gracious host to a stranger.

Look at how often he uses the figure of speech "Uncover thy father's nakedness in Letivicus:

The man who lies with his father

[LIVN4JC]

Dear sister,

Greetings in the name of the Lord,

Firstly let me say that i am the first to advocate the literal reading and interpretation of the reading of the word of God and I have advocated that in many of my postings esp when the literal interpretation makes sense, don't apply any other sense or you end up with nonsense. Having said that I recognise that the Bible does use figure of speech, when it says the trees of the mountain clap their hands-i do not intreprete it literally as i do not expect trees to have hands to clap. Same goes when Jesus says he is the door, through wihch one gains access to the Father, i do not expect to see door knobs on Jesus, i recognise that as a figure of speech.

Similarly in this account in Genesis, Moses is the author and he also wrote 4 other books including the book of Leviticus. He does use figure of speech here to write about an matter which demands much modesty as the subject matter is delicate and he uses a figure of speech which may be very obvious to everyone in his time, which may not be so obvoius in our time. To give you an example, when i said i went out last week, got very drunk and slept with a strange woman, that figure of speech is very obvoius to my present audience but may not be readily be understood by poor Moses who lived a few thousand years ago. He may have thought i have a slumber party by being a gracious host to a stranger.

Look at how often he uses the figure of speech "Uncover thy father's nakedness in Letivicus:

The man who lies with his father

[Massorite]

Gen. 9:24 :"When Noah awoke from his wine and knew what his youngest son had done to him,"....

"There are some Scholars who believe that either Ham or Canaan, and more likely Canaan, committed an act of homosexuality on Noah; while there is no concrete proof of such, there is definitely some indication in that direction." The Expositor's Study Bible/KJV pg 19.

Yes I have heard that also.

[Massorite]

Blessings again brothers and sisters. Before I post my question I wish to say to everyone; if at any time my questions have been asked in the past please post link for me that may be the easiest way. To the mods of this great place... If at anytime you feel I am asking way to many questions please feel free to tell me... no feelings will be injured in so doing... I am on fire to learn all I can. At times I am able to work out for myself with God's help areas that seem a bit tough. But sometimes I just need a little more explanation. So I pray you all will bear with me as I grow and learn. So on to my question. If I am reading the scripture that is posted below correctly Ham is the father of Canaan. Ham saw Noah naked yet Noah cursed Canaan. Why was he cursed for what his father had done? And is he the brother of Shem and Japheth, I thought Ham was their brother. And why did it upset Noah in the first place? How was Ham to know the state his father was in? Was Noah ashamed of his own sin then in getting drunk? Did not the Lord warn against drunkeness? Once again I call upon the wisdom of mature and learned brothers and sisters. May the Lord reward you in the time you give to help me with this journey I am on. Blessings.

In His Loving Hands

Sister in Christ,

LIVN4JC

Genesis 9 (English Standard Version)

Genesis 9:

21 He drank of the wine and became drunk and lay uncovered in his tent.

22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father and told his two brothers outside.

23 Then Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it on both their shoulders, and walked backward and covered the nakedness of their father. Their faces were turned backward, and they did not see their father

[givennewname]

Dear sister,

Greetings in the name of the Lord,

Firstly let me say that i am the first to advocate the literal reading and interpretation of the reading of the word of God and I have advocated that in many of my postings esp when the literal interpretation makes sense, don't apply any other sense or you end up with nonsense. Having said that I recognise that the Bible does use figure of speech, when it says the trees of the mountain clap their hands-i do not intreprete it literally as i do not expect trees to have hands to clap. Same goes when Jesus says he is the door, through wihch one gains access to the Father, i do not expect to see door knobs on Jesus, i recognise that as a figure of speech.

Similarly in this account in Genesis, Moses is the author and he also wrote 4 other books including the book of Leviticus. He does use figure of speech here to write about an matter which demands much modesty as the subject matter is delicate and he uses a figure of speech which may be very obvious to everyone in his time, which may not be so obvoius in our time. To give you an example, when i said i went out last week, got very drunk and slept with a strange woman, that figure of speech is very obvoius to my present audience but may not be readily be understood by poor Moses who lived a few thousand years ago. He may have thought i have a slumber party by being a gracious host to a stranger.

Look at how often he uses the figure of speech "Uncover thy father's nakedness in Letivicus:

The man who lies with his father

[Guest yod]

I don't mean to be difficult and I pray I am not... but now I am really confused dear brother. Wouldn't Canaan still be his grandson though? And it says Noah knew what his youngest son had done to him. It didn't say anything about Canaan in the tent.

In His Loving Hands,

Sister in Christ,

Anne

I challenge you to find one place where the word "grand son" is used by the hebrews. The hebrews didn't use that language as we do in American english

They called all male descendants a "son" no matter how many generations later they came....and therefore Canaan was a "son" of Noah and the youngest descendant alive at the time, therefore the youngest "son"

it could be that Ham uncovered his father's nakedness...but Noah's youngest son (also the youngest son of Ham) did something after that.

[Matthitjah]

Dear sister,

Greetings in the name of the Lord,

Firstly let me say that i am the first to advocate the literal reading and interpretation of the reading of the word of God and I have advocated that in many of my postings esp when the literal interpretation makes sense, don't apply any other sense or you end up with nonsense. Having said that I recognise that the Bible does use figure of speech, when it says the trees of the mountain clap their hands-i do not intreprete it literally as i do not expect trees to have hands to clap. Same goes when Jesus says he is the door, through wihch one gains access to the Father, i do not expect to see door knobs on Jesus, i recognise that as a figure of speech.

Similarly in this account in Genesis, Moses is the author and he also wrote 4 other books including the book of Leviticus. He does use figure of speech here to write about an matter which demands much modesty as the subject matter is delicate and he uses a figure of speech which may be very obvious to everyone in his time, which may not be so obvoius in our time. To give you an example, when i said i went out last week, got very drunk and slept with a strange woman, that figure of speech is very obvoius to my present audience but may not be readily be understood by poor Moses who lived a few thousand years ago. He may have thought i have a slumber party by being a gracious host to a stranger.

Look at how often he uses the figure of speech "Uncover thy father's nakedness in Letivicus:

The man who lies with his father