Ham and Canaan

[LIVN4JC]

I don't mean to be difficult and I pray I am not... but now I am really confused dear brother. Wouldn't Canaan still be his grandson though? And it says Noah knew what his youngest son had done to him. It didn't say anything about Canaan in the tent.

In His Loving Hands,

Sister in Christ,

Anne

I challenge you to find one place where the word "grand son" is used by the hebrews. The hebrews didn't use that language as we do in American english

They called all male descendants a "son" no matter how many generations later they came....and therefore Canaan was a "son" of Noah and the youngest descendant alive at the time, therefore the youngest "son"

it could be that Ham uncovered his father's nakedness...but Noah's youngest son (also the youngest son of Ham) did something after that.

Peace and blessings yod.

I did not say the word grandson was in scripture. What I was asking was "even though they called him son wouldn't he still be a grandson in our time and language as we know it?" Maybe they didn't call them grandsons or grandaughters but they would still be.

In His Loving Hands,

Sister in Christ,

Anne

[Guest yod]

I don't mean to be difficult and I pray I am not... but now I am really confused dear brother. Wouldn't Canaan still be his grandson though? And it says Noah knew what his youngest son had done to him. It didn't say anything about Canaan in the tent.

In His Loving Hands,

Sister in Christ,

Anne

I challenge you to find one place where the word "grand son" is used by the hebrews. The hebrews didn't use that language as we do in American english

They called all male descendants a "son" no matter how many generations later they came....and therefore Canaan was a "son" of Noah and the youngest descendant alive at the time, therefore the youngest "son"

it could be that Ham uncovered his father's nakedness...but Noah's youngest son (also the youngest son of Ham) did something after that.

Peace and blessings yod.

I did not say the word grandson was in scripture. What I was asking was "even though they called him son wouldn't he still be a grandson in our time and language as we know it?" Maybe they didn't call them grandsons or grandaughters but they would still be.

In His Loving Hands,

Sister in Christ,

Anne

While you are technically correct, it doesn't matter. The english bibles are supposed to translate what is said in hebrew.

Yes, Canaan was a grandson (in our language and culture) but he was called a son (in their language and culture).

[LIVN4JC]

I don't mean to be difficult and I pray I am not... but now I am really confused dear brother. Wouldn't Canaan still be his grandson though? And it says Noah knew what his youngest son had done to him. It didn't say anything about Canaan in the tent.

In His Loving Hands,

Sister in Christ,

Anne

I challenge you to find one place where the word "grand son" is used by the hebrews. The hebrews didn't use that language as we do in American english

They called all male descendants a "son" no matter how many generations later they came....and therefore Canaan was a "son" of Noah and the youngest descendant alive at the time, therefore the youngest "son"

it could be that Ham uncovered his father's nakedness...but Noah's youngest son (also the youngest son of Ham) did something after that.

Peace and blessings yod.

I did not say the word grandson was in scripture. What I was asking was "even though they called him son wouldn't he still be a grandson in our time and language as we know it?" Maybe they didn't call them grandsons or grandaughters but they would still be.

In His Loving Hands,

Sister in Christ,

Anne

While you are technically correct, it doesn't matter. The english bibles are supposed to translate what is said in hebrew.

Yes, Canaan was a grandson (in our language and culture) but he was called a son (in their language and culture).

Blessings and peace to you yod.

Point taken. I don't mean to be difficult. If that is how it seems my deepest apologies.

Blessings

In His Loving Hands,

Sister in Christ

Anne

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I don't mean to be difficult and I pray I am not... but now I am really confused dear brother. Wouldn't Canaan still be his grandson though? And it says Noah knew what his youngest son had done to him. It didn't say anything about Canaan in the tent.

In His Loving Hands,

Sister in Christ,

Anne

I challenge you to find one place where the word "grand son" is used by the hebrews. The hebrews didn't use that language as we do in American english

They called all male descendants a "son" no matter how many generations later they came....and therefore Canaan was a "son" of Noah and the youngest descendant alive at the time, therefore the youngest "son"

it could be that Ham uncovered his father's nakedness...but Noah's youngest son (also the youngest son of Ham) did something after that.

Peace and blessings yod.

I did not say the word grandson was in scripture. What I was asking was "even though they called him son wouldn't he still be a grandson in our time and language as we know it?" Maybe they didn't call them grandsons or grandaughters but they would still be.

In His Loving Hands,

Sister in Christ,

Anne

While you are technically correct, it doesn't matter. The english bibles are supposed to translate what is said in hebrew.

Yes, Canaan was a grandson (in our language and culture) but he was called a son (in their language and culture).

My bible says that the order of the names are in an inverted order so the Japheth is the eldest, Ham is the second born and Shem the last. My bible also says that Noah knew what his "Younger" son had done. So we are not talking about the "youngest son" we are talking about a "younger" son. IE Younger then Japheth and Ham was younger then Japheth. The curse against Canaan is a generational curse put on the future generations of Ham for what Ham had done to make Noah angry. Doesn't seem to be very fair but that is the way it was done in the old testament.

[Guest yod]

Point taken. I don't mean to be difficult. If that is how it seems my deepest apologies.

Blessings

In His Loving Hands,

Sister in Christ

Anne

I have no idea what you're talking about?

you haven't been difficult in the least....it's a pleasure talking (writing?) with you

[LIVN4JC]

Point taken. I don't mean to be difficult. If that is how it seems my deepest apologies.

Blessings

In His Loving Hands,

Sister in Christ

Anne

I have no idea what you're talking about?

you haven't been difficult in the least....it's a pleasure talking (writing?) with you

Blessings and much thanks brother yod. Everyone has been most helpful. I am still learning and growing and appreciate all the wisdom from the more learned.

In His Loving Hands,

Sister in Christ

Anne

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Blessings and thank you much dear sister.

In His Loving Hands,

Sister in Christ

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