Obama's "job to the muslim world"

[nebula]

The problem with these laws is that if they are all illegal, there will still be gay people and there will still be abortions.

But there would be way less abortions than there are now.

And the way homosexual rights are being pushed, it could soon become illegal to publicly regard homosexuality as a sin (See the Worthy News article on the subject. click here )

[Bold Believer]

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And yet he is GOD's chosen leader for this time.

No my brother, he is our Saul.

[Bold Believer]

A brother named Leonard Ravenhill said it best. "You can't legislate righteousness"

O how true that statement is.

I wish more people would understand that and quit trying to get the govt to do our job for us.

We shouldn't be supporting an amoral government, either. And that's what we have here.

No friend, we have an IMMORAL government. There is no such thing as amorality. You are either moral or immoral.

[Bold Believer]

God expects HIS PEOPLE to cry out against wickedness, not condone it. We condone such conduct by our silence.

Yes he does. But what we do instead is try to get the government to do it for us.

We should not need the government to tell us what is moral or not.

It is not the job of the government to set our morals for us.

Agreed. It is OUR job to tell the government what is moral and immoral and when they enact immoral legislation, we need to chastise them for it. The government is an extension of the people. The people elect a government which reflects them. If the government is enacting immoral legislation, it is a sign that the people are IMMORAL AS WELL.

[MorningGlory]

Did you support the previous administration? Or the one before that? How about Bush 41? Find morality and Christian values in any of these governments...if you can.

Rabbit trail. Perhaps no one told you, but Bush isn't president anymore. Bush isn't germane to this thread, at all. His name shouldn't even be brought up. The people bringing it up are the ones who just can't seem to grasp, accept or believe that Obama is making some horrible mistakes that are going to cost our country, and cost us greatly. And those who fail to speak out about it are helping him.

I don't need you, or anyone else, to tell me who the current President is...thank you.

And to answer your question, neither Bush negotiated with terrorists, gave them a platform, or an interview. Neither Bush supported abortion. Neither Bush supported gay rights. So they did not support moral decay. Obama unashamedly supports moral decay, in the form of abortion and gay rights.

My question was "Did you support the previous administration?' and so on. I did not mention Bush 43 by name nor did I address negotiation, platforms or interviews. I invited the poster to find the morality in those previous administrations. Your response doesn't even address my question.

[nebula]

Sorry, as much as I think that homosexuality is a sin, it is not the same as killing, raping, stealing or molesting children in the way that it affects a society. All the things you mentioned have a negative impact on another person, thus they are illegal regardless of your religious view. If you are going to fight to make being gay against the law because the Bible says so you better darn well be fighting to make adultery and fornication illegal also.

The difference with homosexuality, though, is that the push is to make homosexuality a protected legal right and make it illegal have a moral stance against it.

This makes the issue different from other sins.

[Bold Believer]

your head examined? You've not a clue as to what is in the President's head nor do you know what God thinks. Such arrogance and hatefulness serves only ego.

Hmmm. I guess Jesus was off the mark when He called the leaders of his day hypocrites. Or Paul was off the mark when he rebuked the high priest. Christianity is not always sweetness and light. I can see by his actions what's in his mind. He continues to enact immoral policies. The Scriptures tell me what God thinks. Obama will continue this trend unfortunately because no one calls him on it, and even if they DID, I suspect he wouldn't listen. I could be wrong. But I suspect he'd simply ignore any rebuke given him.

If the American people collectively do something stupid, then it's a matter of 'if the shoe fits'. I think we're bringing more judgment on ourselves as a nation by electing a man who believes in the things this President does. The Scriptures lead me to believe that. With the exception of the clown remark (sorry), I stand by my words.

[MorningGlory]

A brother named Leonard Ravenhill said it best. "You can't legislate righteousness"

O how true that statement is.

I wish more people would understand that and quit trying to get the govt to do our job for us.

We shouldn't be supporting an amoral government, either. And that's what we have here.

No friend, we have an IMMORAL government. There is no such thing as amorality. You are either moral or immoral.

There absolutely IS such a thing as amorality, defined as the absence of any morals whatsoever; it is embodied in the nonbeliever who lives by the 'if it feels good, do it' motto or the Wiccan, or the garden variety serial killer who has no reservations about anything.

[Bold Believer]

Agreed. It is OUR job to tell the government what is moral and immoral and when they enact immoral legislation, we need to chastise them for it. The government is an extension of the people. The people elect a government which reflects them. If the government is enacting immoral legislation, it is a sign that the people are IMMORAL AS WELL.

and you just hit the nail on the head. And how do we try to change people from immoral to moral? do we pass laws or do we try to change their hearts?

Yes.

We work as a Church in Jesus to bring the Gospel to individuals so that hearts will be changed. We enact law to protect society from immoral conduct and its results.

To the person who posted about molestation: Child molestation is definitely a thing which needs dealt with, but homosexuality is as well. Both are crimes against the natural order and capital offenses in Scripture.

[Bold Believer]

A brother named Leonard Ravenhill said it best. "You can't legislate righteousness"

O how true that statement is.

I wish more people would understand that and quit trying to get the govt to do our job for us.

We shouldn't be supporting an amoral government, either. And that's what we have here.

No friend, we have an IMMORAL government. There is no such thing as amorality. You are either moral or immoral.

There absolutely IS such a thing as amorality, defined as the absence of any morals whatsoever; it is embodied in the nonbeliever who lives by the 'if it feels good, do it' motto or the Wiccan, or the garden variety serial killer who has no reservations about anything.

Nopearooski friend. Wiccans are nature worshipers, violating the first commandment, You shall have no other gods before me. The nonbeliever violates the law of God as well by failing to believe and setting himself up as God, violating the same commandment. There is no such thing as amorality. You either follow God or you don't. One is moral, the other immoral.