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Does anyone or anything "unclean" get to heaven ? (no) Why ? Ephesians 5:5 KJ21 For this ye know: that... nor unclean person, ..., hath any inheritance in the Kingdom of Christ and of God.

The SCRIPTURE, the WORD OF YHWH is TRUTH, is edifying, is like good seed ..... the discussions are usually not. So posting the WORD OF YHWH (THE BIBLE), AT LEAST might give someone a chance to hear the TRUTH. That's just my observation.

Love Scripture, read cover to cover a little bit "quickly" (within a few months or less), praying for YHWH's(GOD's) understanding. It is HIS WORD to us. HE SAYS it is GOOD. HE is PERFECT. Man have messed up a lot. Trust HIM as HE is full of amazing grace and seek the FATHER in HEAVEN as the disciples all did/do. And this is HIS DELIGHT : " Then opened HE their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures," No matter all what you read or hear or see. TRUST YHWH THE CREATOR and Y'SHUA(YHWH'S SALVATION). And you shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall set you free.

Defending a doctrine, a teaching, or a school, no matter if going by the name Jewish or Christian or pagan or heathen, when it is not Y'SHUA, when it is not in harmony with all of YHWH'S WORD< falls apart and leads to more distance and more doctrines, more teachings, more ideas getting farther and farther from YHWH'S WORD, Y'SHUA.

Sorry. No one has been able to prove he was not immersed weeks or months before he was arrested. Also, it remains written in the GOSPEL that those who were not immersed are the ones who rejected Y'SHUA as the MESSIAH. Likewise the ones who were immersed ACCEPTED Y'SHUA as MESSIAH (as it is written STILL TODAY IN THE GOSPEL)

(re content couple posts back), It looks like you're thinking too hard and ignoring parts of YHWH'S WORD that don't fit what someone taught you, because nothing you've posted shows any disciple of Y'SHUA wasn't immersed in water ..... and, again, it is written (without change - no contradiction) that those who were not immersed were the ones who rejected Y'SHUA.

John would have prevented him, saying, "I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?" 15 But Jesus answered him, "Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness." MATTHEW Anyone who seeks JESUS will likewise DO as HE says to fulfill righteousness as YHWH says. Same as all the Apostles and disciples did.

They honored YHWH THE CREATOR, and knew the SIGNS YHWH put in the HEAVENS. i.e. not pagan, not heathen, not ungodly astrology that most everyone know's about.

Yes, perhaps a good feeling traditions anyway.... perhaps not true. YHWH knows, and is perfectly right HIMSELF.

This may be true. Look in NEW TESTAMENT though, those who were not immersed are those who rejected Y'SHUA as MESSIAH and thwarted YHWH'S PLAN for their lives. Those who accepted Y'SHUA were immersed.

1 Corinthians 7:12-14King James Version (KJV) 12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. ======================================================= 1 Corinthians 7:12-14Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC) 12 To the rest I declare—I, not the Lord [for Jesus did not discuss this]—that if any brother has a wife who does not believe [in Christ] and she consents to live with him, he should not leave or divorce her. 13 And if any woman has an unbelieving husband and he consents to live with her, she should not leave or divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is set apart (separated, withdrawn from heathen contamination, and affiliated with the Christian people) by union with his consecrated (set-apart) wife, and the unbelieving wife is set apart and separated through union with her consecrated husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean (unblessed heathen, [a]outside the Christian covenant), but as it is they are prepared for God [pure and clean].

No argument there. It is totally more fascinating if the research is available online to find out the truth. Neanders were simply old people , and/or fakes created to propagate more fakes (for frame, fame, and money/ power). (Remember as GOD'S WORD says, people used to live hundreds of years. Guess what happens as people live over 150 years....... they start to look (potentially) like neanders...... simple and true.

The best examples to start with straight from SCRIPTURE (YHWH'S WORD) is to take care of widows and orphans (anyone poor and in real need of your help ) and to give a glass of water to someone who is thirsty, without any thought of self and expecting nothing back. i.e. DO what is right, every day, all the time. CHOOSE to DO what is right, all the time. Again, this is perhaps the best examples to start with (as JESUS said) in serving YHWH (GOD). Whatever we do to the least , we do to YHWH (GOD).

Mark 8:34 And he called to him the multitude with his disciples, and said to them, “If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. www . biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=RSV&quicksearch=follow&begin=1&end=46&limit=500 www . biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=RSV&quicksearch=follow&begin=47&end=73&limit=500

(1) cursing is ; is that what you mean by cussing ? Y'SHUA and the Apostles used vulgar language at times. (2) yes (3) yes

excerpts from BibleGateWay.com 1 John 4:5 They [who teach twisted doctrine] are of the world and belong to it; therefore they speak from the [viewpoint of the] world [with its immoral freedom and baseless theories—demanding compliance with their opinions and ridiculing the values of the upright], and the [gullible one of the] world listens closely and pays attention to them. Matthew 10:32-33The Message (MSG) 32-33 “Stand up for me against world opinion and I’ll stand up for you before my Father in heaven. If you turn tail and run, do you think I’ll cover for you? The Message (MSG) ERV ..... God knows what is really in your hearts. What people think is important is worth nothing to God. ESV ..... For what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God. ------------------------------------------- God knows what’s behind the appearance. What society sees and calls monumental (great, exalted, respected) , God sees through and calls monstrous.

This (the OP, as well as the TITLE of the thread) is not referring to Israel in any fashion: QUOTE: " Each of these World Rulers had an opportunity to rule the world with mercy & justice. But sadly they all chose control, domination & greed. " END QUOTE. Likewise some others did as well, but as noted above and below, KING DAVID and the RIGHTEOUS RULERS of ISRAEL are not in the OP nor in the TITLE. (unless I missed something) Deuteronomy 7:6-821st Century King James Version (KJ21) “For thou art a holy people unto the Lord thy God; the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto Himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The Lord did not set His love upon you nor choose you because ye were more in number than any people, for ye were the fewest of all people; I.E. KING DAVID was not one of the world rulers who already ruled the world. (He will, probably, be, but he wasn't yet). None of the leaders or rulers or kings , even KING SOLOMON, nor KING SAUL, ruled the world (nor did they seek to ). (note that HIS people are STILL (just about) the fewest of all people , a remnant , who found the narrow road to life) All the rulers of the nations have committed 'badbad'(polite paraphrase) , as told by Y'SHUA to John and written in YHWH'S WORD, REVELATION. Why did they all commit the 'badbad' ? < shrugs > Who knows? YHWH KNOWS. It is written and described plainly in SCRIPTURE.

quote: "Each of these World Rulers had an opportunity to rule the world with mercy & justice. But sadly they all chose control, domination & greed." end quote This ...........................................................................................................................................................................^^^ is what I was replying to, as I put in the post. And the exceptions are just that, exceptions (as frequently occurs in SCRIPTURE ; most often probably about YHWH'S chosen ones). Following up a little : "..... chose control, domination & greed." Is there any indication they could have achieved the world control/power they did WITHOUT control, domination, & greed ? Perhaps for future discussion in this or another thread: TODAY, is there ANY chance a world leader could ever gain any semblance of power ever (i.e. appearance of power if not actual power, OR actual power) without control, domination, & greed ? I think it is very obvious the answer is no, both (first ) from what SCRIPTURE says, and (second) from almost all history for a very very long list of examples.

" Each of these World Rulers had an opportunity to rule the world with mercy & justice. But sadly they all chose control, domination & greed. " [casually], I don't remember ever seeing a world ruler before Y'SHUA'S resurrection ever had an opportunity to rule the world with mercy and justice. Even finding one country ruled rightly was rare or very rare, if at all. Israel , of course, following YHWH'S TORAH, being the exception, the set apart people, called and chosen by YHWH and set apart by HIM for HIS PURPOSE and HIS PLAN. And I think many of Israel's leaders/kings/ failed to govern rightly also, so what chance would any heathen gentile nation have to rule rightly ? (as it is written, if the righteous are just barely saved, what happens to the unrighteous ? ) Also , besides the references all through SCRIPTURE of how wicked and evil and pernicious the world/ society / the peoples of the world are, there is the declaration in the NEW TESTAMENT: like this> "Remember when you all as gentiles were without God and without hope in the world ...." Showing specifically and clearly that all the other countries as nations or as world powers were not called and chosen and set apart by YHWH to be HIS people, to live holy lives, but only as and when HE desired to show HIS sovereignty (HE raised up who HE desired to raise up, and HE brought down whoever HE desired to bring down ---- always with perfect justice, righteousness, and without any wrong doing nor any possiblity even of sin on HIS (YHWH'S) part/ doing...... Therefore, the "world rulers" while all appointed by YHWH, were not under any kind of regulation or guidance in RIGHTEOUSNESS or RIGHT LIVING or RIGHT RULING the way YHWH'S people were, but were all subject to the power of the prince of the air (the devil), with all the boundaries and so forth set un-moveably in place by YHWH that they could not cross over, but without any expectation of (much or any) mercy nor of justice.... except as stated in YHWH'S WORD and PLAN. Even in the NEW TESTAMENT, concerning the whole world / society, there is much about the perniciousness (death dealing) thereof, and the refusal to turn to YHWH on the part of the whole world. So often, all through history, and in the end time, only the remnant are saved out of the evil generation.

People will LAUGH at him when they see him, saying : this is what deceived the whole world ! ? But, BEFORE then, all the people of the world ARE subject to him, and continually disobey and oppose Y'SHUA MESSIAH, and they , the sons of disobedience, REFUSE to STOP WORSHIPING DEMONS. (see in REVELATION) .... THEY (the sons of disobedience / all society) are the ones in government, social services, schools, trades, religions, television and internet business and entertainment, stocks, bonds, all the markets, everywhere in society ("pernicious" as written in GALATIANS), everyone subject to sin, so that everyone may be saved by grace, all who are saved (few on the narrow road compared to those on the wide road to destruction) ... All around everyone on earth, the prince of the power of the air directs society.... what looks good, is not. what looks bad, is worse than it looks. what looks worthy of praise to men/mankind, (what men hold in high regard) YHWH calls lower than trash.

Also, see PSALM 1 again - such perfect instruction from YHWH (GOD) to learn what is right, and avoid what is wrong, and hardly ever honored in most places - instead, what is wicked, evil, or leading to sin, is "accepted", as if okay, even for children! And what about learning from YHWH'S WORD, SCRIPTURE, what is truthfully good and right and pure and holy ? Where is this today ? Where are children raised "in the way they should go" ? Since there are so few ever (children raised right), it is even more amazing grace that so many of us not raised right, have turned to YHWH (GOD) in Y'SHUA (JESUS) to learn HIS WAY !

Everyone chooses to obey either YHWH THE CREATOR, or the god of this world. There's no in-between. Romans 6:16 Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to ... biblehub.com/romans/6-16.htm Don't you realize that you become the slave of whatever you choose to obey? Both the desire to seek YHWH, and being able to serve HIM is sheer grace, a gift from YHWH through Y'SHUA.

Y'SHUA'S sheep hear HIS voice. and HE trains and leads and teaches and heals HIS sheep and , today, as always, " Then opened HE their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,"

All of YHWH'S WORD, always, whatever any time proceeds from HIM, is TRUTH. Y'SHUA also says "be gone from ME, I never knew you" to those who did not obey HIM when they were on earth. English Language, and greek and western ways of men's thinking, are often a very poor conveyor of YHWH'S meaning/ TRUTH.

Good question, perhaps. In REVELATION, who does JESUS send to the lake of fire on judgment day ? Those who HE knew, or those who HE did not know ?