Why Are We Missing 400 Years?

[anitarose]

anitarose...

I might point out, as the Chief has, that it was during the Maccabean period that the holiday called Hanukkah, or Feast of Dedication, was instituted. When the Jews rebuilt the Temple, they only found enough holy oil for one day. Since it takes 8 days to make up a batch, they wondered what they were going to do. It was God that provided that 1 day amount of oil and stretched it into 8 days, after which they had enough oil.

Hi Anitarose....just to clarify...From my understanding the temple was not really rebuilt during the Maccabean period, it was rather cleansed and re-dedicated..The actual second temple era began around 538 BCE with Ezra, and later the rebuilding of the walls as seen under the leadership of Nehemiah....the second temple period ended in 70CE.

Herod the Great completely rebuilt the temple later on beginning in 19BCE and ostensibly finishing in 4BCE...but construction went on apparently until 67CE...but that is still referred to as the second temple because sacrifices continued during its construction, and because Herod never claimed to be building something new...but rather enlarging and adorning what was already there...in reality it was the third temple...and what many Orthodox Jews are preparing for now is the fourth temple.

I believe you are correct, Botz. But there were certain parts of the Temple in the Maccabean period that wasn't completely rebuilt. Ezra and Nehemiah just rebuilt walls.

Herod did rebuild the Temple, and according to Jewish history and tradition Herod's temple was considered the Second Temple. There is a movement right now to restore the Third Temple, and I know someone who is deeply involved in restoring all the items that were in the Temple to prepare for the rebuilding. I have seen and heard Reuven Prager and some of the things he's been working on, and it's amazing. I can't wait to see what's going to happen!!!

a.

[Massorite]

I might point out, as the Chief has, that it was during the Maccabean period that the holiday called Hanukkah, or Feast of Dedication, was instituted. When the Jews rebuilt the Temple, they only found enough holy oil for one day. Since it takes 8 days to make up a batch, they wondered what they were going to do. It was God that provided that 1 day amount of oil and stretched it into 8 days, after which they had enough oil.

That's why the Jews burn 8 candles at Hanukkah---to proclaim the miracle of the oil lasting 8 days.

a.

Great info.

[Massorite]

anitarose...

I might point out, as the Chief has, that it was during the Maccabean period that the holiday called Hanukkah, or Feast of Dedication, was instituted. When the Jews rebuilt the Temple, they only found enough holy oil for one day. Since it takes 8 days to make up a batch, they wondered what they were going to do. It was God that provided that 1 day amount of oil and stretched it into 8 days, after which they had enough oil.

Hi Anitarose....just to clarify...From my understanding the temple was not really rebuilt during the Maccabean period, it was rather cleansed and re-dedicated..The actual second temple era began around 538 BCE with Ezra, and later the rebuilding of the walls as seen under the leadership of Nehemiah....the second temple period ended in 70CE.

Herod the Great completely rebuilt the temple later on beginning in 19BCE and ostensibly finishing in 4BCE...but construction went on apparently until 67CE...but that is still referred to as the second temple because sacrifices continued during its construction, and because Herod never claimed to be building something new...but rather enlarging and adorning what was already there...in reality it was the third temple...and what many Orthodox Jews are preparing for now is the fourth temple.

Yes Botz you are correct.

[Botz]

anitarose...

I might point out, as the Chief has, that it was during the Maccabean period that the holiday called Hanukkah, or Feast of Dedication, was instituted. When the Jews rebuilt the Temple, they only found enough holy oil for one day. Since it takes 8 days to make up a batch, they wondered what they were going to do. It was God that provided that 1 day amount of oil and stretched it into 8 days, after which they had enough oil.

Hi Anitarose....just to clarify...From my understanding the temple was not really rebuilt during the Maccabean period, it was rather cleansed and re-dedicated..The actual second temple era began around 538 BCE with Ezra, and later the rebuilding of the walls as seen under the leadership of Nehemiah....the second temple period ended in 70CE.

Herod the Great completely rebuilt the temple later on beginning in 19BCE and ostensibly finishing in 4BCE...but construction went on apparently until 67CE...but that is still referred to as the second temple because sacrifices continued during its construction, and because Herod never claimed to be building something new...but rather enlarging and adorning what was already there...in reality it was the third temple...and what many Orthodox Jews are preparing for now is the fourth temple.

I believe you are correct, Botz. But there were certain parts of the Temple in the Maccabean period that wasn't completely rebuilt. Ezra and Nehemiah just rebuilt walls.

Herod did rebuild the Temple, and according to Jewish history and tradition Herod's temple was considered the Second Temple. There is a movement right now to restore the Third Temple, and I know someone who is deeply involved in restoring all the items that were in the Temple to prepare for the rebuilding. I have seen and heard Reuven Prager and some of the things he's been working on, and it's amazing. I can't wait to see what's going to happen!!!

a.

Not to labour the point Anitarose...Ezra and Nehemiah did not just rebuild the walls of Jerusalem...Ezra established the rebuilding of the Temple, and Nehemiah oversaw the rebuilding of the city walls and the gates, and to some extent the city of Jerusalem itself. This was the second temple era which also incorporated Herods later monumental recontruction as I have already mentioned.

It is important to try and get our historical facts right if we are going to present them for others to read.

Ezra1:1 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, in order to fulfill the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he sent a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and also put it in writing, saying:

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[Rick-Parker]

anitarose...

I might point out, as the Chief has, that it was during the Maccabean period that the holiday called Hanukkah, or Feast of Dedication, was instituted. When the Jews rebuilt the Temple, they only found enough holy oil for one day. Since it takes 8 days to make up a batch, they wondered what they were going to do. It was God that provided that 1 day amount of oil and stretched it into 8 days, after which they had enough oil.

Hi Anitarose....just to clarify...From my understanding the temple was not really rebuilt during the Maccabean period, it was rather cleansed and re-dedicated..The actual second temple era began around 538 BCE with Ezra, and later the rebuilding of the walls as seen under the leadership of Nehemiah....the second temple period ended in 70CE.

Herod the Great completely rebuilt the temple later on beginning in 19BCE and ostensibly finishing in 4BCE...but construction went on apparently until 67CE...but that is still referred to as the second temple because sacrifices continued during its construction, and because Herod never claimed to be building something new...but rather enlarging and adorning what was already there...in reality it was the third temple...and what many Orthodox Jews are preparing for now is the fourth temple.

What ever happened to BC (Before Christ) and AD (After Death)? Just another sign of humanity removing God and Christ out of history. It's worse when Christians do it. Kind of like X-Mas.

[Botz]

Parker1...

What ever happened to BC (Before Christ) and AD (After Death)? Just another sign of humanity removing God and Christ out of history. It's worse when Christians do it. Kind of like X-Mas.

Directing that at me it is a rather sad statement...I actually never use the word Christ from personal choice, and absolutely never call the L-rd.. Jesus Christ....because that is not the L-rds name....but I don't make a big deal about it.

AD...does not mean after death...it stands for 'Anno Domini', Latin for 'the year of our Lord'...it was only coined in the 6th Century by authority of the Pope in an effort to establish the correct date for Easter...which they got wrong anyway, and Jesus was actually born in 4BC as far as I can reasonably establish.

BCE (before the Common era, etc) is not unreasonable, and I use both at times...what a strange objection to come up with...and how easily you seem willing to shoulder offence and detract from what was being stated.

[anitarose]

What ever happened to BC (Before Christ) and AD (After Death)? Just another sign of humanity removing God and Christ out of history. It's worse when Christians do it. Kind of like X-Mas.

To reference the letters BC and AD to a Jewish person is an insult, as they do not recognize Y'shua as Moshiach (Messiah). The letters refer to Before Christ and After Death (Anno Domini in the Latin, as Botz has already said), both references to Y'shua.

It is permissible to use BCE (Before Common Era) in this case. It is not merely another case, as you so bluntly put it, of humanity removing God. It is respect to a nation who doesn't believe their Moshiach has come.

Sounds like you need to study the roots of Christianity a little bit before jumping to conclusions.

a.

[Rick-Parker]

I shared an observation, not an accusation against anyone. Sorry if you took offense, but the observation is correct. Ask most people what BC and AD stand for and they will give the same response that I did. They revolve around Christ and their change is the effort of a secular world to be PC and remove Christ from science and history. Again, I am truly sorry if you take offense.

[Rick-Parker]

I shared an observation, not an accusation against anyone. Sorry if you took offense, but the observation is correct. Ask most people what BC and AD stand for and they will give the same response that I did. They revolve around Christ and their change is the effort of a secular world to be PC and remove Christ from science and history. Again, I am truly sorry if you take offense.

Nonsense! You are neither sorry nor are you correct. How is that for not being PC? Oh, and by the way, I am not secular. I am, however, offended that you would try to stuff this garbage down my throat.

I'm not trying to shove anything down your throat. Why would you think that? Nothing that I have said is not even remotely critical of you. And if you think my apology insincere, than that is your choice.

[Shiloh62]

anitarose...

I might point out, as the Chief has, that it was during the Maccabean period that the holiday called Hanukkah, or Feast of Dedication, was instituted. When the Jews rebuilt the Temple, they only found enough holy oil for one day. Since it takes 8 days to make up a batch, they wondered what they were going to do. It was God that provided that 1 day amount of oil and stretched it into 8 days, after which they had enough oil.

Hi Anitarose....just to clarify...From my understanding the temple was not really rebuilt during the Maccabean period, it was rather cleansed and re-dedicated..The actual second temple era began around 538 BCE with Ezra, and later the rebuilding of the walls as seen under the leadership of Nehemiah....the second temple period ended in 70CE.

Herod the Great completely rebuilt the temple later on beginning in 19BCE and ostensibly finishing in 4BCE...but construction went on apparently until 67CE...but that is still referred to as the second temple because sacrifices continued during its construction, and because Herod never claimed to be building something new...but rather enlarging and adorning what was already there...in reality it was the third temple...and what many Orthodox Jews are preparing for now is the fourth temple.

What ever happened to BC (Before Christ) and AD (After Death)? Just another sign of humanity removing God and Christ out of history. It's worse when Christians do it. Kind of like X-Mas.

Good point parker1. I never could understand why some tried to replace Before Christ with that before common era nonsense. Shiloh62