the creation story; 7 days or billions of years?

[Guest bible bashed]

ABSOLUTELY NOWEHERE in the bible, is the age of the earth revealed.

the evolution time of the the earths creatures is also not revealed in the bible.

it does not specifiy that creation was only seven days long, it is only the order that is given

since the first "true 24 HOUR day" had occurred on the 4th day of creation;

GENESIS 1:14 "God made two great lights" - The greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night - on the fourth day.

Evolution is supported in the bible also; as there as 4 legged insects that have evolved two additional legs;

LEVITICUS 11: 20 There are however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat; Those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper.

There were also obviously other creatures that evolved to have two legs from four originally, as supported in leviticus

LEVITICUS 11: 23 But all other winged creatures that have four legs you are to detest.

[OneLight]

Welcome to Worthy. Your name and first posts causes me to ask, are you a Christian?

[Guest TheChief]

Lets roll back about 9 verses, basher...

Genesis 1:5 - And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. The term "day" (Hebrew yôm) is from an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next, the more common use), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term). Thus was the first day...

As far as your "evolutionary hypothesis:"

Leviticus 11:20 says "All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you." so I guess you meant Leviticus 11:21-23, "Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth; even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind. But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you."

All fowls that creep (verse 20) - reference such as the bat, which has claws attached to its leatherlike wings, and which serve in place of feet to crawl by, the feet and legs not being distinct; but this may also include all the different kinds of insects, with the exceptions in the following verse. Going upon all four - May signify no more than walking regularly or progressively, foot after foot as quadrupeds do; because it cannot be applied to insects literally, as they generally have six feet, many of them more, some reputed to have a hundred (such as centipedes); and some a thousand (millipedes); words which often signify no more than that such insects have a great number of feet.

Which have legs above their feet (verse 21) - This appears to refer to the different kinds of locusts and grasshoppers, which have very remarkable hind legs, long, and with high joints, projecting above their backs, by which they are enabled to spring up from the ground, and leap high and far.

Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet (vv 22, 23) - Nothing short of a scientific description could convey more accurately the nature

[kross]

ABSOLUTELY NOWEHERE in the bible, is the age of the earth revealed.

the evolution time of the the earths creatures is also not revealed in the bible.

it does not specifiy that creation was only seven days long, it is only the order that is given

since the first "true 24 HOUR day" had occurred on the 4th day of creation;

GENESIS 1:14 "God made two great lights" - The greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night - on the fourth day.

Evolution is supported in the bible also; as there as 4 legged insects that have evolved two additional legs;

LEVITICUS 11: 20 There are however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat; Those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper.

There were also obviously other creatures that evolved to have two legs from four originally, as supported in leviticus

LEVITICUS 11: 23 But all other winged creatures that have four legs you are to detest.

We sometimes infer tone from the type of text people use. You are correct that science and the Bible can work together. If it is good science. The idea that these scriptures somehow prove evolution seems lost to me. I can not see anything of evolution in this.Maybe you could explain.

Then you can answer me one question;

If carbon-14 dating proves the earth to be no more than 30,000 years old, (10,000 to be truthful) how does any of the science you speak of disagree with the Bible?

The other winged 4 legged creatures would be bats or perhaps extinct dinosaurs of the time.

[Guest bible bashed]

Lets roll back about 9 verses, basher...

Genesis 1:5 - And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. The term "day" (Hebrew yôm) is from an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next, the more common use), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term). Thus was the first day...

As far as your "evolutionary hypothesis:"

Leviticus 11:20 says "All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you." so I guess you meant Leviticus 11:21-23, "Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth; even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind. But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you."

All fowls that creep (verse 20) - reference such as the bat, which has claws attached to its leatherlike wings, and which serve in place of feet to crawl by, the feet and legs not being distinct; but this may also include all the different kinds of insects, with the exceptions in the following verse. Going upon all four - May signify no more than walking regularly or progressively, foot after foot as quadrupeds do; because it cannot be applied to insects literally, as they generally have six feet, many of them more, some reputed to have a hundred (such as centipedes); and some a thousand (millipedes); words which often signify no more than that such insects have a great number of feet.

Which have legs above their feet (verse 21) - This appears to refer to the different kinds of locusts and grasshoppers, which have very remarkable hind legs, long, and with high joints, projecting above their backs, by which they are enabled to spring up from the ground, and leap high and far.

Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet (vv 22, 23) - Nothing short of a scientific description could convey more accurately the nature

[livingfortheLord]

Welcome to Worthy. Your name and first posts causes me to ask, are you a Christian?

Hi - Thanks for your reply. Yes, I am a Christian - I was saved in July of 1980 and since then have had a remarkable journey with our Lord. It is hard to believe that it is that long since I have known Jesus. We have been through a lot together. One of the good things about belonging to the Lord is that whatever happens in your life - you know there is a reason for it.

I have never been on a Christian website before - most of my fellowship has been at my church. However, just on a whim, I wanted to see if there were any Christian Chat Rooms on the web and this is how I came to this site.

I am looking forward to becoming involved in the chats and getting to know other Christians on the site.

God Bless!!!

[livingfortheLord]

Welcome to Worthy. Your name and first posts causes me to ask, are you a Christian?

Hi - Thanks for your reply. Yes, I am a Christian - I was saved in July of 1980 and since then have had a remarkable journey with our Lord. It is hard to believe that it is that long since I have known Jesus. We have been through a lot together. One of the good things about belonging to the Lord is that whatever happens in your life - you know there is a reason for it.

I have never been on a Christian website before - most of my fellowship has been at my church. However, just on a whim, I wanted to see if there were any Christian Chat Rooms on the web and this is how I came to this site.

I am looking forward to becoming involved in the chats and getting to know other Christians on the site.

God Bless!!!

[livingfortheLord]

Welcome to Worthy. Your name and first posts causes me to ask, are you a Christian?

Hi Again:

I think that your reply above was meant for "Bible Bashed" and not me. I am "Living for the Lord". Somehow, I was notified in my inbox that your above note was for me. However, upon rereading my mail - I found the post that you are talking about - and I do believe you want "Bible Bashed" and not me.

I don't agree whatsoever with what "Bible Bashed" wrote and I certainly don't want anyone to think that I wrote it.

God Bless!!!

[Guest bible bashed]

Lets roll back about 9 verses, basher...

Genesis 1:5 - And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. The term "day" (Hebrew yôm) is from an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next, the more common use), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term). Thus was the first day...

As far as your "evolutionary hypothesis:"

So much for your earth shattering revelations...welcome to Worthy

lets not go back before the first actual day and...

lets stick to the argument and consider genesis 1:14, it is only with the creation of the sun when the first actual day could had occurred.

before that there was only darkness as far as the physical world is concerned. lets us remember that

for a full day to occur requires one full rotation of the planet (one day and one night)

also the leviticus verses proves that grasshoppers and locusts have evolved from those early times and have grown two additional legs.

this is clear proof that the bible supports evolution because today insects have six legs, not four as they did back then.

it is important to ackowledge that the bible is not a book of history of the universe,

it is solely a spiritual book that is oftened taken out of context by christian fundamentalists who

compromise fact and truth for a right-winged politically correct, but false indoctrination of scripture.

and why are you calling me basher?

you should be refering to me as "bashed" if anything.....

thats not very christian like of you is it?

perhaps its indicative of your denial to accept the truth?

taking the bible literally like you did in an attempt to explain the first physical day of the earth is to deny scientific fact

[Guest bible bashed]

We sometimes infer tone from the type of text people use. You are correct that science and the Bible can work together. If it is good science. The idea that these scriptures somehow prove evolution seems lost to me. I can not see anything of evolution in this.Maybe you could explain.

Then you can answer me one question;

If carbon-14 dating proves the earth to be no more than 30,000 years old, (10,000 to be truthful) how does any of the science you speak of disagree with the Bible?

this is a false statement - carbon 14 dating does not prove the age of the earth to be young at all. in fact it has proven the age of the earth is much older, 100's millions of years -

we have dinosuar fossils aged at 100's millions of years old and it is the sedimentary rock the fossil is in that is dated also

this does not disagree with the bible - the bible is a spiritual book of truth, not one of fundamental literatural correctness - this truth is revealed only to christian moderates and religious fundamentalists claiming to be christians remain blind.

The other winged 4 legged creatures would be bats or perhaps extinct dinosaurs of the time.

suggestion - read leviticus as quoted - you will learn that their were four legged insects (crickets, grasshoppers and locusts with four legs) in those days, now we have six legged insects...