Is Genesis the story of the earth's creation?

[nebula]

There is a lot of missing information and God has provided us with what we need to know.

Tons of missing information.

And what we needed to know isn't about the Earth.

[Matthitjah]

There is a lot of missing information and God has provided us with what we need to know.

Tons of missing information.

And what we needed to know isn't about the Earth.

Ahhh! But, I believe that the earth says alot about God.

So was the Revelation in Genesis really meant to teach us about the nature of the Creation or about the nature of God?

[Bryanfromiowa]

So was the Revelation in Genesis really meant to teach us about the nature of the Creation or about the nature of God?

i'd say it speaks to the nature of god

I am a Biblical conservative or at least that is how I define myself. But it seems to me that the earth is more than 6,000 years old. I believe however that Genesis 1:1 is the story of the restoration of the earth from a previous state of existence. I believe that series of creative events recorded on the earth were 6,000 years ago. What say you? Am I way off base or close to the truth in your opinion?

i can't completely buy into this but it is easier to believe than the earth being 6000 years old

[OneLight]

So was the Revelation in Genesis really meant to teach us about the nature of the Creation or about the nature of God?

i'd say it speaks to the nature of god

I am a Biblical conservative or at least that is how I define myself. But it seems to me that the earth is more than 6,000 years old. I believe however that Genesis 1:1 is the story of the restoration of the earth from a previous state of existence. I believe that series of creative events recorded on the earth were 6,000 years ago. What say you? Am I way off base or close to the truth in your opinion?

i can't completely buy into this but it is easier to believe than the earth being 6000 years old

The easy way out may be deceiving. Be careful what you place your faith in. I believe that if it were critical for us to understand the age of the earth, if it be different then what we can decipher from Genesis, then God would of given this information to us. Faith in Him goes far more then our understanding. I also believe that the mysteries of the bible causes us to have more faith in Him, something that is very critical in our walk.

[exrockstar]

The problem I have is that if there was an earty prior to this one, why was there no plan redemption offered to that pre-Adamite race?

how do you know there wasn't a redemption plan? is it because you havent read it in the bible?

so when does one apply the "bible is silent" excuse?

didn't the angles have a redemption plan? yes they did and that is pre-Adamic. So if it is pre-Adamic then there were

redemption plans before the fall. i.e the heavenly temple.

I think you're negative if you look at is as a "plan B." In your eyes they are plan B's as if God made a mistake and needed a backup plan (or conjured a quick plan).

If i thought that way then i can think plenty of plan B's.

1. When Adam fell it's not as though God said "let's go to plan B and make animals carnivores and make men mortal."

2. Christ was crucified by the Jews so let's go with plan B and let the gentiles in on salvation.

3. The earth is corrupt so let's go with plan B and flood it out but keep a few survivors.

There aren't plan B's. They are merely events that play out to show someone or something the effect of a cause. In the case of the flood....that event caused the survivors to witness to their generations of what just happened which is why they were the last to live for hundreds of years. Hence, they were witnesses for the "cause and effect."

the Angels falling is a cause so what is the effect?

insert "the bible is silent on this issue."

[Matthitjah]

The problem I have is that if there was an earty prior to this one, why was there no plan redemption offered to that pre-Adamite race?

how do you know there wasn't a redemption plan? is it because you havent read it in the bible?

so when does one apply the "bible is silent" excuse?

didn't the angles have a redemption plan? yes they did and that is pre-Adamic. So if it is pre-Adamic then there were

redemption plans before the fall. i.e the heavenly temple.

I think you're negative if you look at is as a "plan B." In your eyes they are plan B's as if God made a mistake and needed a backup plan (or conjured a quick plan).

If i thought that way then i can think plenty of plan B's.

1. When Adam fell it's not as though God said "let's go to plan B and make animals carnivores and make men mortal."

2. Christ was crucified by the Jews so let's go with plan B and let the gentiles in on salvation.

3. The earth is corrupt so let's go with plan B and flood it out but keep a few survivors.

There aren't plan B's. They are merely events that play out to show someone or something the effect of a cause. In the case of the flood....that event caused the survivors to witness to their generations of what just happened which is why they were the last to live for hundreds of years. Hence, they were witnesses for the "cause and effect."

the Angels falling is a cause so what is the effect?

insert "the bible is silent on this issue."

Grace to you,

There is no plan of Salvation for the Angels.

1Pe

[exrockstar]

There is no plan of Salvation for the Angels.

Angels cannot be redeemed.

Peace,

Dave

wow. well i suppose they will all perish because angels have freewill.

wherever there is freewill there is sin.

actually Isaiah 6 talks about their heavenly temple. which was there before Adam. this is only one of the many of that temple.

[Matthitjah]

There is no plan of Salvation for the Angels.

Angels cannot be redeemed.

Peace,

Dave

wow. well i suppose they will all perish because angels have freewill.

wherever there is freewill there is sin.

actually Isaiah 6 talks about their heavenly temple. which was there before Adam. this is only one of the many of that temple.

Grace to you,

Angels do not have a fleshy body like you and I and have not been born in Adams sin. They are Created beings.

Please tell me the plan of Salvation for the Angels as you understand it. Please provide scripture to support your argument as well.

Your also going to have to enlighten me on this Holy Temple in Heaven thing. The Temple that Isaiah saw the Lord lifted up on His Throne was the Temple in Jerusalem.

Peace,

Dave

[Guest shiloh357]

how do you know there wasn't a redemption plan? is it because you havent read it in the bible?

The fact that the Bible never mentions is a good first indicator.

so when does one apply the "bible is silent" excuse?

It is not an excuse. It is wisdom. If the Bible doesn't give us any light, there is no wisdom in trying to fill in the gaps on our own with speculation and sensationlalism.

didn't the angles have a redemption plan? yes they did and that is pre-Adamic.

Really and tell us point-by-point how that plan is laid for them?

So if it is pre-Adamic then there were

redemption plans before the fall. i.e the heavenly temple.

That is nothing but conjecture and made up theology.

I think you're negative if you look at is as a "plan B." In your eyes they are plan B's as if God made a mistake and needed a backup plan (or conjured a quick plan).

That makes my point. God DOESN'T need a back up plan. Which is one reason why the whole idea of God needing to start over with a new race of beings doesn't make sense. It is not how God operates as revealed in the Scripture.

If i thought that way then i can think plenty of plan B's.

1. When Adam fell it's not as though God said "let's go to plan B and make animals carnivores and make men mortal."

2. Christ was crucified by the Jews so let's go with plan B and let the gentiles in on salvation.

3. The earth is corrupt so let's go with plan B and flood it out but keep a few survivors.

None of that bears any resemblance to what I am referring to. There is no comparison. "Plan B" would have been to destroy Adam and Eve and and the rest of fallen creation and start over. Actually in this case that would be been "Plan C." The point is that God has never judged the entire human race to the point of placing man outside the possiblity of redemption, which is why a pre-Adamite race of men being completely destroyed by God does not square with how He is revealed in Scripture.

There aren't plan B's.

Exactly, which is why this earth is not a recreation of an earlier one.

In the case of the flood....that event caused the survivors to witness to their generations of what just happened which is why they were the last to live for hundreds of years. Hence, they were witnesses for the "cause and effect."

That however is different than the allegd pre-Adamite destruction.

the Angels falling is a cause so what is the effect?

Doesn't matter. Angels have no salvation, no possiblity of redemption. If you say otherwise, then you have to leave the Scriptures to do it.

[nebula]

The Bible doesn't tell us a whole lot about the angels. Obviously this is for a reason.

God's plan to deal with the fallen angels isn't our concern, nor does it have bearing on our salvation nor our relationship with Him.

Let it go.