Ugh, you're so close-minded

[Murse32]

The big bang is, of course, proven dozens of times over. Scientists don't perform experiments to reaffirm something their already know. They perform experiments to learn new things or to refine their knowledge.

Taken from CERN's website: The Large Hadron Collider.

"Two beams of subatomic particles called 'hadrons'

[Gauntlet]

The Large Hadron Collider itself is a product of intelligent (human) design ... so if these scientists are trying to disprove the necessity of a creator ... they've already lost!

[Guest Exhau]

Taken from CERN's website: The Large Hadron Collider.

"Two beams of subatomic particles called 'hadrons' – either protons or lead ions – will travel in opposite directions inside the circular accelerator, gaining energy with every lap. Physicists will use the LHC to recreate the conditions just after the Big Bang, by colliding the two beams head-on at very high energy. Teams of physicists from around the world will analyse the particles created in the collisions using special detectors in a number of experiments dedicated to the LHC.

There are many theories as to what will result from these collisions, but what's for sure is that a brave new world of physics will emerge from the new accelerator, as knowledge in particle physics goes on to describe the workings of the Universe. For decades, the Standard Model of particle physics has served physicists well as a means of understanding the fundamental laws of Nature, but it does not tell the whole story. Only experimental data using the higher energies reached by the LHC can push knowledge forward, challenging those who seek confirmation of established knowledge, and those who dare to dream beyond the paradigm".

Now, maybe I'm just grabbing at straws or really am just a southern moran like many say...But seems to me, one would want to recreate what some consider the beginning of time in order to PROVE that what we are today didn't need intelligent design. Of course like many scientist though, they will candy coat it to make it look like they are just curious. But, like I said...What do I know? I'm a whole different breed of "nerd".

They're recreating the big bang to learn more about it. I assume you're misconstruing things because you think creatonism is the "established knowledge" they're challenging. Creationists are a minority on the world stage in general, and a negligible one in the scientific community. (Forgive me if I've misassumed.) I'm honestly not sure what is meant by challenging established knowledge. I imagine they're talking about the competing models of the universe. String theory, etc. The wiki has some more info on the subject.

The Large Hadron Collider itself is a product of intelligent (human) design ... so if these scientists are trying to disprove the necessity of a creator ... they've already lost!

This is the kind of nonsense misunderstanding that discredits creationists before a discussion even begins.

Edited May 1, 2009 by Exhau

[Gauntlet]

Taken from CERN's website: The Large Hadron Collider.

"Two beams of subatomic particles called 'hadrons'

[Murse32]

Creationists are a minority on the world stage in general, and a negligible one in the scientific community. (Forgive me if I've misassumed.)

Hmmm, well, considering the world consists of Christians (protestant), muslims, catholics, Jehovahs witnesses, etc...that all believe in a creator. I wouldn't exactly say we are a minority. And of course I'll forgive ya!!!!

[Guest Exhau]

How so?

Research the argument. Just for fun, I'll throw out a quick explanation, although this isn't my specialty.

Things which we have observed being created, like the LHC differ fundamentally from things with no detectable creator. No one has managed to find any evidence of intelligent direction behind the origin or diversification of life. Thus, manmade objects and organic beings can't be compared in the sense of complexity.

Hmmm, well, considering the world consists of Christians (protestant), muslims, catholics, Jehovahs witnesses, etc...that all believe in a creator. I wouldn't exactly say we are a minority. And of course I'll forgive ya!!!!

The faith with the largest amount of creationists is Hindu. Not any monotheism. However, you're confusing "creationist" with "religious person." The majority of Christians are not creationists. I can't say much for other faiths.

[RustyAngeL]

Amen!

[Murse32]

The faith with the largest amount of creationists is Hindu. Not any monotheism. However, you're confusing "creationist" with "religious person." The majority of Christians are not creationists. I can't say much for other faiths.

Hmmm, not quite understanding where your thinking is coming from. Even with the Hindus, they believe in a greater being, a creator/destroyer, if you will...Brahma/Siva. Muslims believe in Allah, Jews believe in YHWH, Christians believe in Father/Christ/Holy Spirit (all one in three deities), even the pagans believed (believe) in a higher being.

Though some may be guilty of worshipping false gods, one thing we can not deny them of, is being so egotistical, they think they just happened by chance and are the greatest being. They look at existance as coming from something greater than we are. Furthermore, are we (humans) so great to begin with? Look at the animal kingdom. When a animal kills, it's for the life cycle to continue in carnivores. They may kill, but it's from necessity. Why do we kill than? I read about people being murdered for their shoes. Are we so great? We live a lifestyle, here in this country, of conveinance. To make things even more conveinant, we have because lazy and destructive to our nature.

If this is truly the nature of our being, It furthers my faith even moreso that we are a "newer creation" and not the likes of some evolutionary form that has progressed for millions of years. If that was the case, we being as we are, would have destroyed ourselves long ago, if it had not been for God watching over us and balancing...for making rules in which our lives are more beneficial if we abide.

[Smalcald]

I don't see how particle physics or what is happening at CERN, which is really cool, has anything to do with our faith, beyond finding out a little more about how God operates?

There are many things we are finding out in the world of astro-physics and in the subatomic world, that are amazing and bizarre, they certainly don't have to contradict our scripture. Particularly when we think about God existing outside of time, and in alternative dimensions, being in more than one place at one time etc, existing in the past present and future at the same time, these are all possible within what we are finding out in the world of physics.

Christians should never fear science. Of course there are scientists with an ax to grind and they sometimes go beyond what they know, but most really are not into doing that, some are, but not all.

[Guest Exhau]

Hmmm, not quite understanding where your thinking is coming from. Even with the Hindus, they believe in a greater being, a creator/destroyer, if you will...Brahma/Siva. Muslims believe in Allah, Jews believe in YHWH, Christians believe in Father/Christ/Holy Spirit (all one in three deities), even the pagans believed (believe) in a higher being.

Again, being faithful does not mean being a creationist. In this case a "creationist" is "anyone who believes a creation myth to be true, in opposition to the scientific consensus."

Though some may be guilty of worshipping false gods, one thing we can not deny them of, is being so egotistical, they think they just happened by chance and are the greatest being. They look at existance as coming from something greater than we are. Furthermore, are we (humans) so great to begin with? Look at the animal kingdom. When a animal kills, it's for the life cycle to continue in carnivores. They may kill, but it's from necessity. Why do we kill than? I read about people being murdered for their shoes. Are we so great? We live a lifestyle, here in this country, of conveinance. To make things even more conveinant, we have because lazy and destructive to our nature.

If this is truly the nature of our being, It furthers my faith even moreso that we are a "newer creation" and not the likes of some evolutionary form that has progressed for millions of years. If that was the case, we being as we are, would have destroyed ourselves long ago, if it had not been for God watching over us and balancing...for making rules in which our lives are more beneficial if we abide.

This something I like to call a "baseless assumption." You've just decided that based on your own unfounded and uninformed opinions. It's simply not true.