WN: When Will Obama Go to Church? - Fox News

[Believer1997]

None of us would go to church if that were the case.

That is not true. I don't know about you, but I want God to talk to me about what He likes or dislikes about what I am doing. But, I don't support abortion and am not turning America into a socialist nation. Those who have Christ on the shelf or who fake faith don't want to go to church. They fear the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

It is true. A LOT of people wouldn't go to church out of sheer fear of what the Lord would say to them and they feel guilty. Yes, I want Him to tell me what I do that pleases or displeases him too. You have opinions - everyone does, it doesn't mean that yours are absolutely correct nor are mine or anyone elses. Blessings.

You said "none of us would go..." That is what I was replying to. Not to argue.

You are correctomundo - I should have said " SOME of us would never go if that was the case" ... Better?

[Rick-Parker]

He's probably afraid of what God would say to him about what he is doing.

Yes, because God can only talk to us within the confines of the four walls of a church.

That is quite the limitation you are putting on God.

What? anyway...People go to church to feel nearer to God. One can keep God out of their home to avoid Him, but most go to church to seek Him. I don't know what is in Obama's head, but he did talk about "my strong faith." Faith in what? People who have a strong faith in Christ show it by their actions. I see none of that coming out of the WH. Do you?

[OneLight]

As we all do when looking for a church, we search for one that we feel is inline with our understanding of scripture. Maybe there isn't one like that around the White House? ....

You realize the can of worms you are opening with this comment, OneLight?

All fun aside, I have always wondered why they don't have a preacher come to the White House instead of them going out?

Many Presidents have had a minister come to the White House instead of going out. FDR did it a lot. I was reading something about the church attendance habits of the Presidents and it seems that Carter and Clinton went more than most Presidents (interesting, huh?) ...

Yes, it is interesting! If I were as controversial as Obama is, I would want to consider safety first for my family.

Mr. Bush was universally hated around the world, more than any President, and hated by half of those here (and, no he didn't deserve a lot of it). Yet, he still went to church. I think we need to just let the Obamas find their church; it's a personal decision, after all. This country is not run on theology, as we all know, so what's the big deal? I won't let anyone tell ME when I need to find a church; don't Presidents have the same freedom?

Of course they do. Let me ask, are you in need of protection as the President is? Do you have Secret Service people hanging around with sharp shooters set up to defend you? Can you see the difference?

[forrestkc]

What? anyway...People go to church to feel nearer to God. One can keep God out of their home to avoid Him, but most go to church to seek Him. I don't know what is in Obama's head, but he did talk about "my strong faith." Faith in what? People who have a strong faith in Christ show it by their actions. I see none of that coming out of the WH. Do you?

You stated that Obama may be avoiding church out of fear of what God might tell him. That problem with that assertion on your part is:

1. God can tell you something regardless of where you are if chooses to do so. You cannot hide from God.

2. Its a baseless accusation as you have no window into the President's heart. You have no incite into his relationship with God.

3. His actions thus far have included helping the poor and the needy (extending the Childrens Health Insurance Program to cover far more children of the working poor, extending jobless benefits an so on). So one could make a case that he is showing his faith by his actions in that regard. The fact is, none of us do the best job we could of showing our faith by our actions and anyone could look at any of us and find faults in our doing so.

4. The guy has not even been in office 3 months. He has had to deal with than any other president since FDR in that time. He also has 2 young kids that he probably is doing the best he can to spend time with. So in reality, considering the time it takes for a President to visit churches with all the security arrangements involved and so on, the guy probably has not hat the time to go out and visit area churches yet.

[kat8585]

False. He denies the innerancy of scripture. He has said, on more than one occasion that there are many paths to God, that Jesus is not the only way. He supports things which are directly a violation of scripture and a sin such as abortion and homosexuality. Those things give us a pretty clear indicator as to where his relationship with Christ is at.

Absolutely! By their fruits ye shall know them.

[OneLight]

What? anyway...People go to church to feel nearer to God. One can keep God out of their home to avoid Him, but most go to church to seek Him. I don't know what is in Obama's head, but he did talk about "my strong faith." Faith in what? People who have a strong faith in Christ show it by their actions. I see none of that coming out of the WH. Do you?

You stated that Obama may be avoiding church out of fear of what God might tell him. That problem with that assertion on your part is:

1. God can tell you something regardless of where you are if chooses to do so. You cannot hide from God.

2. Its a baseless accusation as you have no window into the President's heart. You have no incite into his relationship with God.

3. His actions thus far have included helping the poor and the needy (extending the Childrens Health Insurance Program to cover far more children of the working poor, extending jobless benefits an so on). So one could make a case that he is showing his faith by his actions in that regard. The fact is, none of us do the best job we could of showing our faith by our actions and anyone could look at any of us and find faults in our doing so.

4. The guy has not even been in office 3 months. He has had to deal with than any other president since FDR in that time. He also has 2 young kids that he probably is doing the best he can to spend time with. So in reality, considering the time it takes for a President to visit churches with all the security arrangements involved and so on, the guy probably has not hat the time to go out and visit area churches yet.

False. He denies the innerancy of scripture. He has said, on more than one occasion that there are many paths to God, that Jesus is not the only way. He supports things which are directly a violation of scripture and a sin such as abortion and homosexuality. Those things give us a pretty clear indicator as to where his relationship with Christ is at.

I agree Cobalt.

2 Timothy 3:1-9

Perilous Times and Perilous Men

But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! For of this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was.

Scripture tells us that their folly will progress no further. I do so want to believe this concerning Obama.

[MorningGlory]

[quote name='OneLight'

Mr. Bush was universally hated around the world, more than any President, and hated by half of those here (and, no he didn't deserve a lot of it). Yet, he still went to church. I think we need to just let the Obamas find their church; it's a personal decision, after all. This country is not run on theology, as we all know, so what's the big deal? I won't let anyone tell ME when I need to find a church; don't Presidents have the same freedom?

Of course they do. Let me ask, are you in need of protection as the President is? Do you have Secret Service people hanging around with sharp shooters set up to defend you? Can you see the difference?

Yes; that's why I said a few posts back that it is partly a security issue. I don't know why all the criticism though; choosing a church is a personal thing. Sometimes we just don't like this church or that one. I don't have one right now either and it makes me very unhappy. The church story involving the Obamas is, to me, a nonstory. And the insinuations, by some others, that the President is avoiding church because he's afraid of God's recrimination is silly. Who does God want to come to Him more than those who need Him? And Mr. Obama definitely needs the Lord to lead him and soften his heart on the abortion issue.

[forrestkc]

If a leader is looking to falsely convince the masses of his religious piety, they make sure they are in church every Sunday, publicly invoke religion often, and quote scripture every conceivable opportunity. Mussolini was in Mass every Sunday. Hitler hardly ever gave a single speech where he did not quote scripture profusely. Former Liberian Dictator Charles Taylor quoted Scripture often and was in church quite often, yet he was murderous war criminal. In fact, the only major dictators I can think of that did not constantly quote scripture and use religion at every opportunity were the communist ones, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and so on.

On the other hand, Ronald Reagan very seldom went to church. Neither did Lincoln and many of other good and great presidents. Personally, I am usually quite suspicious of any leader that often invokes religion.

[Believer1997]

Can you please tell me when, where and how he denied the two doctrinal principles you state? You said Christianity is not "religion", but your definitions states otherwise -

A Christian is a person who adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic religion. What did you mean by it not being a religion? For me it's a way of my life, is that what you are saying? Thanks.

[Believer1997]

Can you please tell me when, where and how he denied the two doctrinal principles you state? You said Christianity is not "religion", but your definitions states otherwise -

A Christian is a person who adheres to Christianity, a monotheistic religion. What did you mean by it not being a religion? For me it's a way of my life, is that what you are saying? Thanks.

Religion is man's interpretation of something. Christianity, as such, is not simply a "religion" as the world likes to classify it. Christianity is the only way to be reconciled with God through the blood of, and a belief in Jesus Christ as our Savior. What I am saying is that even according to the world's (secular) standards, Obama does not really pass a basic test as to who is a "christian."

You mentioned earlier that...

Since Obama does not adhere to these tenents, i.e. he does not believe that Jesus is the only way to salvation, ( that is one of Christ's teachings) and he does not believe scripture to be inerrant, (that is another of Christ's teachings) he fails even the secular world's test in that respect.

I had not heard him say these things - do you have a link or a magazine article or interview where he said this? I am not saying he didn't - I just never heard it said. Blessings.