King James Version only?

[Born Crucified]

From the TR:

1 John 5:7 oti treiV eisin oi marturounteV en tw ouranw o pathr o logoV kai to agion pneuma kai outoi oi treiV en eisin

It is quite obvious that there are more words here than just "There are three that bear record in Heaven.

1 John 5:8 kai treiV eisin oi marturounteV en th gh to pneuma kai to udwr kai to aima kai oi treiV eiV to en eisin

and there are more words than just "the Spirit, the water, and the blood"

[OneLight]

From the TR:

1 John 5:7 oti treiV eisin oi marturounteV en tw ouranw o pathr o logoV kai to agion pneuma kai outoi oi treiV en eisin

It is quite obvious that there are more words here than just "There are three that bear record in Heaven.

1 John 5:8 kai treiV eisin oi marturounteV en th gh to pneuma kai to udwr kai to aima kai oi treiV eiV to en eisin

and there are more words than just "the Spirit, the water, and the blood"

What language is this?

[pokemaughan]

The thing is, this is not a question over whether or not people are saved or lost. This is a question over which translation is most reliable? It is my contention that the modern versions are probably 90 percent reliable, while I can fully trust the KJV. That may be good enough for some, and others trust the manuscripts the new versions were translated from, but not me.

I agree.

[Gauntlet]

Everybody knows the earth is either retangular or square in shape.

Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Hmmmm, possibly a diamond or trapezoid.

"4 corners of Earth" = points along hemispherical/equitorial lines of the globe?

"4 corners of Earth" = nonliteral expression?

I was joking, Gauntlet. I do not believe the earth is rectangular, square, diamond or trapezoid shaped.

Buzz Aldrin would tell you it's a sphere.

[Murse32]

From the TR:

1 John 5:7 oti treiV eisin oi marturounteV en tw ouranw o pathr o logoV kai to agion pneuma kai outoi oi treiV en eisin

It is quite obvious that there are more words here than just "There are three that bear record in Heaven.

1 John 5:8 kai treiV eisin oi marturounteV en th gh to pneuma kai to udwr kai to aima kai oi treiV eiV to en eisin

and there are more words than just "the Spirit, the water, and the blood"

Very interesting. Im not a greek scholar, but I can tell you "pathr" or better known as "pater" means father. "logos" is a divine expression meaning Christ. And "pnuema" means a breath, OR something superhuman eg. angel, demon, Spirit, ghost, Life. I believe in context we see the Father, the Son, and the Most Holy Spirit.

Very interesting indeed. Yet, this doesn't tell me why you posted it. First and foremost, can you even read it? if not, why are you proclaiming it? Second, You guys seem to believe that many of us are out to prove the KJV wrong. You are in defense for a translation we all believe to be a very good one.

Ok, I will play on your side...The NIV changed this scripture...they are hiding something. Or are they...so, we go to the NIV and see this:

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

(Matthew 28:19)

yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

(1 Corinthians 8:6)

I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

(John 8:58)

We have to think. God says He is the only God. Why would he have or want us baptized in a name that isn't His? He wouldn't, yet in the NIV we see Jesus proclaiming a baptism in all three.

Than we see, 1 Corin. 8:6 equating the Father and Son

Than in John, We see Jesus proclaiming "I Am"

The NIV as I have said may not be error free. In fact, I know it's not. They should have chosen a better translation when attempting 1 John 5...I will admit this. But you would have to be just ridiculous to think someone, somewhere thought of the NIV in order to transpire to lead people away from Christ. I brought three verses in here today...I could have brought so many more that points to salvation through Jesus.

Please, you need to see the message as a whole. not pull out every error in each translation. This can be done with the KJV as well and it would get tiresome.

Peace and grace to you all.

With love in Christ.

[Murse32]

From the TR:

1 John 5:7 oti treiV eisin oi marturounteV en tw ouranw o pathr o logoV kai to agion pneuma kai outoi oi treiV en eisin

It is quite obvious that there are more words here than just "There are three that bear record in Heaven.

1 John 5:8 kai treiV eisin oi marturounteV en th gh to pneuma kai to udwr kai to aima kai oi treiV eiV to en eisin

and there are more words than just "the Spirit, the water, and the blood"

What language is this?

OneLight, This is greek. these verses were taken from the Greek NT, TR. I believe. Am I correct Born Cruicified?

[Gauntlet]

1 John 5:7-8 For thre ben, that yyuen witnessing in heuene, the Fadir, the Sone, and the Hooli Goost; and these thre ben oon `And thre ben, that yyuen witnessing in erthe, the spirit, water, and blood; and these thre ben oon.

Wow, the English language has really changed since the 1500s.

[Murse32]

1 John 5:7-8 For thre ben, that yyuen witnessing in heuene, the Fadir, the Sone, and the Hooli Goost; and these thre ben oon `And thre ben, that yyuen witnessing in erthe, the spirit, water, and blood; and these thre ben oon.

Wow, the English language has really changed since the 1500s.

LOL, yeah...Im just glad I don't have to read from THIS book. I'd still be in the middle of Genesis. LOL

[Botz]

"Most faithful translations are equally valid, but some are more equally valid than others."

"Why?"

"Because some translators were more inspired by the Holy Ghost than others."

[pokemaughan]

"Most faithful translations are equally valid, but some are more equally valid than others."

"Why?"

Because some people are more learned in olde languages