Christianity and science

[Bowap]

A collection of 23 articles promoting a positive relationship between Evangelical Christianity and evolutionary science.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14157160/An-Evan...ue-on-Evolution

[nebula]

Hello, Bowap.

I see that you posted a bunch of stuff just so you could have your 10 posts in order to start a thread?

OK, we can let that slide.

But you need to understand that YouTube video links are not permitted on the Board (the reason is because too often offensive or anti-Christian material is found on the link a person posts).

[Believer1997]

Are you a Christian, Bowap?

[OneLight]

I reported the link to youtube. Bowap, maybe reading the Terms of Service you agreed to would be the best way to be informed what is and is not acceptable here. Scroll down to the bottom of the page for the ToS.

http://www.worthychristianforums.com/terms-of-service.php

[traveller]

Bowap - if you wish to discuss evolution, why not do it in your own words instead of linking to a different site? Most of the people here are too busy to go read 23 offsite articles.

BTW - I removed your youtube link. Not allowed here.

[Guest]

A collection of 23 articles promoting a positive relationship between Evangelical Christianity and evolutionary science.

Two Holy Scriptures From The Word Of God Promoting The Truth

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exodus 20:10:11

Of The Lies Contained Within 23 Articles About SciFi Fables

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2 Timothy 4:3-4

And Proud Ignorance Bubbling Off The Minds Of Men

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.

Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread: they have not called upon God.

Psalms 53:1-4

Sinner Men Who May Have Chosen To Sit

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 3:36

In Their Own Unbeliefs Forever

For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

2 Peter 2:21-22

How Sad

[Believer1997]

Again, Bowap.... Are you a Christian?

[Bowap]

Yes, I am a Christian. Moreover, I have read the rules again and I still don't see which of them I violated. Was it that the links were to Youtube?

Is it permitted to link to non Youtube videos, such as these;

http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/vid...tian-education/

http://www.blog.beyondthefirmament.com/vid...ucation-page-1/

[Bowap]

This whole idea that evolution leads to atheism is absolutely absurd. Evolution does in one sense provide a natural explanation for something that only really previously had a supernatural explanation (life on earth) and so it does in Richard Dawkins 's words "allow one to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist," but this is only if people are relying on God as some sort of scientific explanation, i.e. "well how else did we get here?" They were lots of other things that people used to attribute to the unknown workings of God, but for which we subsequently found natural explanations. For discovering how the natural world works we have science, and we should do science, we should not be constantly invoking God as an engineer to explain things we don't understand, God-of-the-gaps type arguments, as God only gets smaller as science inevitably fills in the gaps. Evolution is not atheist and never has been, many of the most prominent scientific proponents of evolution (and so opponents of creationism/ID) are (and historically have been) themselves devout theists. As many people have said, facts simply don't disappear because people find them objectionable, evolution really happened and so did the Big Bang, but to serious people of faith, how the natural world works should not impact upon one's belief in God as the ultimate explanation for why anything exists at all.

[Botz]

This whole idea that evolution leads to atheism is absolutely absurd. Evolution does in one sense provide a natural explanation for something that only really previously had a supernatural explanation (life on earth) and so it does in Richard Dawkins 's words "allow one to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist," but this is only if people are relying on God as some sort of scientific explanation, i.e. "well how else did we get here?" They were lots of other things that people used to attribute to the unknown workings of God, but for which we subsequently found natural explanations. For discovering how the natural world works we have science, and we should do science, we should not be constantly invoking God as an engineer to explain things we don't understand, God-of-the-gaps type arguments, as God only gets smaller as science inevitably fills in the gaps. Evolution is not atheist and never has been, many of the most prominent scientific proponents of evolution (and so opponents of creationism/ID) are (and historically have been) themselves devout theists. As many people have said, facts simply don't disappear because people find them objectionable, evolution really happened and so did the Big Bang, but to serious people of faith, how the natural world works should not impact upon one's belief in God as the ultimate explanation for why anything exists at all.

I think it is absolutely self-evident, that the Theory of Evolution inevitably leads a person to the gospel of a G-dless world...it circumnavigates the need for a Creator, and those that follow its guide-lines consistantly call the Bible myth, allegoric, or simply lies, and in many instances seek to supplant biblical truth with so-called scientific truth. Being an atheist is almost a required necessity, and an unsung creed of evolution-based science.

Theists may at times be grudgingly accepted within the evolution-based scientific community, but Creation-Scientists are totally ridiculed and condemned, even though so much of what they submit is well within the boundary of science, and has all the elements required of scientific analysis....but because this branch of science attempts to support and verify much of what is found in the Bible, and also challenges many of the papers produced by atheistic, and theist supporters of evolution-based science, they are completely side-lined. It is a travesty. They do not get things right all the time, and some of their hypotheses can be wide of the mark...but they have every right to be heard, and many times they cut across some of the baffling conclusions that evolution theory so readily tries to produce.

G-d is not some sort of con-artist who lets it be written that He created man and beast out of the dust of the ground, when in actual fact He allowed them to gradually evolve over millions of years from the very first form of life that somehow came into existence from....er...from...well somehow just happened....and all the supposed evidence of various hominids representing this transition is for many people highly speculative, unconvincing and inconclusive.

It all boils down to 'Has G-d said?'...and just like we are either 'for Jesus or against Him', we either use science to work with G-ds word or against it.