Two State Solution?

[Dog House Bill]

I came across this today, 5/19/09, and have felt it to be an unbiased report of the Summit Meeting be tween Obama and Israeli Leader Netanyahu.

In this article, Obama is pushing for a two state solution from Netanyahu, who is remaining firm on Israels right to exist as a single state. Netanyahu also claims that, "any agreement depended on their (Palestinians) acceptance of Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state."

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-polit...7/US.US.Israel/

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Edited May 19, 2009 by Dog House Bill

[Guest shiloh357]

The "two state solution" is code for "The destruction of Israel."

What many people fail to realize is that the two-state solution doesn't simply end with the creation of a Palestinian state. Included with this solution is the demand that Israel acquiese to the myth of the "right of return" meaning that Israel MUST open its borders to over 5 Million Palestinians so that they may freely live in Israel and have full citizenship.

The Jews are NOT allowed, however, to live freely in the newly formed Palestinian state. Essentially, the plan is to create a Palestinian majority citizenery within Israel meaning that, in an election, all Jewish MKs could potentially be voted out of office and replaced with Arab MKs as well as replacing a Jewish PM with a Arab/Muslim MK and this would be the end of the Jewish state. Jews would be reduced to dhimmis in their own country.

Essentially, a two-state solution is nothing more than an attempt to destroy Israel demographically.

[Guest yod]

The "two state solution" is code for "The destruction of Israel."

. Included with this solution is the demand that Israel acquiese to the myth of the "right of return" meaning that Israel MUST open its borders to over 5 Million Palestinians so that they may freely live in Israel and have full citizenship.

The Jews are NOT allowed, however, to live freely in the newly formed Palestinian state.

and this the exact same arrangement that the UN made for the last "2-State solution" when Israel was created in 1948 and Jordan was the other state.

[tah]

Praying for Israel to stand firm and not be swayed by those who do not have her best interest at heart..

[Gauntlet]

The only alternative to the two-state solution is ... total annihilation of all Palestians each by the other's hand as they depopulate the region with unending war. Realistically, that is what will happen if some kind of mutually-acceptable deal is not hammered out. The two sides are already more than willing to kill each other. I can think of nothing more agreeable or ecquitable for both sides than this.

Neither side is really the innocent here, not after all fighting. I don't know which side was the original aggressor, Israel or Palestine, and I don't care. Everyone deserves to live. Everyone deserves a home. When you look at it without all the religious and cultural baggage, it's not confusing. When you look at it with all the religious and cultural baggage, the complexity is mind-boggling.

Of course, there is no way to satisfy everyone here. What is most likely to happen is that one day, the entire region will be empty of people. The Palestians and the Jews will have killed each other down to the last child. What then?

[Guest yod]

, and I don't care.

this is the only thing you said that was based in reality

The Gaza "disengagement" was a 2 state solution. It worked so well that Israel had to invade them for launching rockets into Sderot. The Palestinians of Gaza started again as soon as Israel pulled out. There is one realistic solution. Let Israel deal with their enemies like every other sovereign nation does. It would be over in a day if that happened. Palestinians living within the Green Line of Israel have a better standard of living than 98% of all arabs and also have the freedom to vote representatives to the Israeli Knesset.

The Palestinian people are MUCH better off under Israel than under Hamas, Fatah, or any other thug Palestinian regime which has ever existed. So why the fighting? Because it's not about government or civil liberty. It's about bigotry and hatred. Since arabs are living in Israel and jews are not welcome in arab lands...who is the bigot here?

[georgedrw81]

The "two state solution" is code for "The destruction of Israel."

What many people fail to realize is that the two-state solution doesn't simply end with the creation of a Palestinian state. Included with this solution is the demand that Israel acquiese to the myth of the "right of return" meaning that Israel MUST open its borders to over 5 Million Palestinians so that they may freely live in Israel and have full citizenship.

The Jews are NOT allowed, however, to live freely in the newly formed Palestinian state. Essentially, the plan is to create a Palestinian majority citizenery within Israel meaning that, in an election, all Jewish MKs could potentially be voted out of office and replaced with Arab MKs as well as replacing a Jewish PM with a Arab/Muslim MK and this would be the end of the Jewish state. Jews would be reduced to dhimmis in their own country.

Essentially, a two-state solution is nothing more than an attempt to destroy Israel demographically.

Palestinian state exists already.It has a place,a flag,a goverment and embassies - sometimes under the name of trade comissions.It has already been recognised by many countries even in western europe.These are facts.To destroy Israel is unlikely because the Jews themselves will not allow that.

Humans and goverments far away plot and do things about others but there is one thing they never consider or take into account.

There is a God and when God has decided something then no human can do otherwise.

If i have offended you all then i ask God and Jesus to forgive me

Blessings to you all

[Gauntlet]

If people are hell-bent on destroying each other, that is a very likely outcome. They've had plenty of chances for peace, both of them. Clearly, they are not interested in peace. Because of their religious beliefs, they'd much rather kill each other. Am I overly cynical about this? Maybe. I just don't see any happy ending here, and this conflict is older than I am. What about prophecy? Won't God deliver His Chosen People before it's too late? Again, I don't know. How will it end? I don't know. But it is not my problem. I've got bigger fish to fry.

[nChrist]

God's Word tells us how this age-old conflict will end. Bible Prophecy tells us that the world will face a horrible 7 year period of time called the Tribulation Period. It will be a time of trouble and bloodshed so horrible that World War II would be like a picnic in comparison. I think that the stage is being set and that time is near. It will be a time of total chaos, and only Jesus Christ Himself will be able to restore peace. Jesus Christ ends the Tribulation Period with His Second Coming in great and Holy Wrath. He will crush evil and reserve it for final judgment to the eternal fires of Hell. By this time, 75% of the population of the earth has been killed.

Let's go back and provide a few more details. Jesus Christ is the Anointed King of Israel, and He will not be denied His Throne in Jerusalem. The time will come in the Tribulation Period where Israel will fear total annihilation, and Israel will cry out to God. The Second Coming of Christ will be their answer. God will fulfill all of His ancient Promises to Israel, and Israel will accept their King as the True Messiah. Israel will be restored, and all of the lands promised to Israel will be given to them. Jesus Christ will rule and reign over the earth from the Throne of David in Jerusalem. God's Solution will be final, and no combination of powers will be able to stop Him. All of these things will literally be fulfilled according to God's Promises.

Ezekiel 38:14-23 ASV 14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy, and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: In that day when my people Israel dwelleth securely, shalt thou not know it? 15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the uttermost parts of the north, thou, and many peoples with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company and a mighty army; 16 and thou shalt come up against my people Israel, as a cloud to cover the land: it shall come to pass in the latter days, that I will bring thee against my land, that the nations may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes. 17 Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Art thou he of whom I spake in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, that prophesied in those days for many years that I would bring thee against them? 18 And it shall come to pass in that day, when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord Jehovah, that my wrath shall come up into my nostrils. 19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; 20 so that the fishes of the sea, and the birds of the heavens, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. 21 And I will call for a sword against him unto all my mountains, saith the Lord Jehovah: every man's sword shall be against his brother. 22 And with pestilence and with blood will I enter into judgment with him; and I will rain upon him, and upon his hordes, and upon the many peoples that are with him, an overflowing shower, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 And I will magnify myself, and sanctify myself, and I will make myself known in the eyes of many nations; and they shall know that I am Jehovah.

Ezekiel 39:1-7 ASV 1 And thou, son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal: 2 and I will turn thee about, and will lead thee on, and will cause thee to come up from the uttermost parts of the north; and I will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel; 3 and I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand. 4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy hordes, and the peoples that are with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. 5 Thou shalt fall upon the open field; for I have spoken it, saith the Lord Jehovah. 6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and on them that dwell securely in the isles; and they shall know that I am Jehovah. 7 And my holy name will I make known in the midst of my people Israel; neither will I suffer my holy name to be profaned any more: and the nations shall know that I am Jehovah, the Holy One in Israel.

Ezekiel 39:17-29 ASV 17 And thou, son of man, thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Speak unto the birds of every sort, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh and drink blood. 18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan. 19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you. 20 And ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord Jehovah. 21 And I will set my glory among the nations; and all the nations shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them. 22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am Jehovah their God, from that day and forward. 23 And the nations shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity; because they trespassed against me, and I hid my face from them: so I gave them into the hand of their adversaries, and they fell all of them by the sword. 24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions did I unto them; and I hid my face from them. 25 Therefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Now will I bring back the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel; and I will be jealous for my holy name. 26 And they shall bear their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they shall dwell securely in their land, and none shall make them afraid; 27 when I have brought them back from the peoples, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations. 28 And they shall know that I am Jehovah their God, in that I caused them to go into captivity among the nations, and have gathered them unto their own land; and I will leave none of them any more there; 29 neither will I hide my face any more from them; for I have poured out my Spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord Jehovah.

Isaiah 2:1-5 ASV 1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 2 And it shall come to pass in the latter days, that the mountain of Jehovah's house shall be established on the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 3 And many peoples shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of Jehovah from Jerusalem. 4 And he will judge between the nations, and will decide concerning many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning-hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. 5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of Jehovah.

Isaiah 9:2-7 ASV 2 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwelt in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined. 3 Thou hast multiplied the nation, thou hast increased their joy: they joy before thee according to the joy in harvest, as men rejoice when they divide the spoil. 4 For the yoke of his burden, and the staff of his shoulder, the rod of his oppressor, thou hast broken as in the day of Midian. 5 For all the armor of the armed man in the tumult, and the garments rolled in blood, shall be for burning, for fuel of fire. 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of Jehovah of hosts will perform this.

Isaiah 65:17-25 ASV 17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. 18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create; for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. 19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people; and there shall be heard in her no more the voice of weeping and the voice of crying. 20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days; for the child shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner being a hundred years old shall be accursed. 21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. 22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree shall be the days of my people, and my chosen shall long enjoy the work of their hands. 23 They shall not labor in vain, nor bring forth for calamity; for they are the seed of the blessed of Jehovah, and their offspring with them. 24 And it shall come to pass that, before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. 25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the ox; and dust shall be the serpent's food. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith Jehovah.

nChrist

[MorningGlory]

The "two state solution" is code for "The destruction of Israel."

What many people fail to realize is that the two-state solution doesn't simply end with the creation of a Palestinian state. Included with this solution is the demand that Israel acquiese to the myth of the "right of return" meaning that Israel MUST open its borders to over 5 Million Palestinians so that they may freely live in Israel and have full citizenship.

The Jews are NOT allowed, however, to live freely in the newly formed Palestinian state. Essentially, the plan is to create a Palestinian majority citizenery within Israel meaning that, in an election, all Jewish MKs could potentially be voted out of office and replaced with Arab MKs as well as replacing a Jewish PM with a Arab/Muslim MK and this would be the end of the Jewish state. Jews would be reduced to dhimmis in their own country.

Essentially, a two-state solution is nothing more than an attempt to destroy Israel demographically.

Exactly. It isn't going to happen but the muslims think they're on the road to conquering Israel.